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Updates biosilicified chitin material and armor #71100

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Summary

Balance "Balanced and improved acidproof chitin"

Purpose of change

There's very few reasons to make stuff out of acidproof chitin. Despite the name, the armor is not actually acidproof, just slightly more resistant to it than chitin.

Adding insult to injury, for some reason it's also heavier, more encumbering, significantly less protective, and for some reason warmer. There's effectively no reason to ever use it, it's kind of... a jackass of all trades, except it was also made worse in every single possible way alongside that.

Describe the solution

Most acid chitin stats are now equal to chitin stats, with the following differences: It chips more, has 20-25% less M/R protection overall, has 20 acid resistance and 4 heat resistance. The acid resistance stat makes armor made out of it quite good at protecting you from acid, but not by any means immune, It still hurts a lot, but it lets you fight on the pool of acid for some small amount of time, which I think is the best of both worlds. Also it burns slower.

All acid chitin armor has had its thickness, encumbrance, and warmth made equal with chitin. There's already enough tradeoffs involved, it doesn't need even more.

Also, fixed an oversight in which chitin pet armor double dipped on chitin and steel resistances despite not even using the latter in its recipe, making armored pets nigh untouchable.

Describe alternatives you've considered

Making the armor fully acidproof - devs don't like it, armor has holes and fabric.
Some cool combination dualchitin armor - out of scope.
Making the armor BRITTLE rather than weaker - maybe.

Testing

Spawned myself in, examined all recipes, spawned biochitin armor, fought a giant ant, was concerned by heavy acid damage, realized I forgot to put my boots on. Tried again, values seem good.

Additional context

Has anyone ever used biosilsdclsdicdisf chitin armor???

Should its name be changed to acidproof because its so annoying to type

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worm-girl commented Jan 20, 2024

I have some overhauls to how acid works coming later that might actually make this stuff a desirable alternative to normal chitin.

I do feel it should have different physical resistances. Silicified means it's partly turned to glass, so it stands to reason it would be more rigid, so maybe +cut -bash?

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Feel free to change these stats when you PR your stuff. I'm looking forward to it but I won't rebalance this around a backburner project.

I do feel it should have different physical resistances. Silicified means it's partly turned to glass, so it stands to reason it would be more rigid, so maybe +cut -bash?

Neat idea, sure.

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BlizzDA commented Jan 20, 2024

If the name has to be changed maybe add 'acid-resistant' to the armors' name or description. Since it isn't actually an acid-proof construction.

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I feel the shoes should actually be acid proof, i.e. allow you to stand in a pool of acid without taking damage (it still wouldn't protect the rest of the body from acid spray). I don't see any point in using an acid proof material to make shoes and then leave holes in those shoes for acid (and water...) to leak in.

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If the name has to be changed maybe add 'acid-resistant' to the armors' name or description. Since it isn't actually an acid-proof construction.

I don't think the name should be changed.

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The fuck went wrong

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BlizzDA commented Jan 21, 2024

the new Treated Leather has a higher acid protection than normal leather. Could be used instead. Just remember to adjust the crafting recipe to take the 'treating' into account.

Not entirely sure about how the chitin armor is supposed to look inregards to regular armor. Would there be any space for TL in the set's crafts, or is it more like scalemail?

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worm-girl commented Jan 21, 2024

There is no leather in chitinous armor. It's all chitin. Chitin can be soft like leather or hard like a crab's plastron. A squishy caterpillar is made of the same stuff as a beetle, the difference is how much it sclerotizes.

The armor definitely isn't scale mail. It's probably just pieced together in imitation of how a bug's armor works, broad plates on big areas, tough but flexible stuff in the joints. Adding leather to it would make the armor hot, heavy, and not really worth using.

Edit: oh unless you meant the boots, those already have leather. TBH we should make nearly all of the leather footwear in the game except for things like mocassins and dress shoes into treated leather.

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Taking a break for 2 more days from digital stuff. Someone can take over this PR if they want to get it in faster.

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Could we revisit this idea? Biochitin is still complete shit, but not making boots have 100% coverage makes it so you get annoying warnings every time you step on every bush in the forest.

The coverage currently means that part of the foot is completely exposed, which IRL boots of any kind shouldn't do. If material coverage is an issue then % coverage of chitin (slightly better) and simple leather (slightly worse resistance) should be used instead.

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