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@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ Nadia essentially just does a lot of research and has a lot of possible discussi
 
 **Mikeal Rogers:** I mean, there always is that first section where we do get into the person's background, but we always where we get into their background specific to what we wanna talk about later. We really just wanna provide the audience with their credentials and credibility around whatever side of sustainability we're gonna go at.
 
-We rarely talk about somebody's entire history, because it's usually not relevant. I mean, there are some exceptions... Heather Meeker has an amazing legal history, and I think all of it is probably relevant to her views on the legal side of open source. But for most people we don't do that at all, because so much of what they do isn't really relevant. And we almost never ask them about the project that they're working on right now, which is what most podcasts do, because usually they \[unintelligible 00:08:00.04\] but we're like, "No, no, no... This thing that you've been working on for ten years, that is sort of like an underpinning of open source sustainability - let's get into that."
+We rarely talk about somebody's entire history, because it's usually not relevant. I mean, there are some exceptions... Heather Meeker has an amazing legal history, and I think all of it is probably relevant to her views on the legal side of open source. But for most people we don't do that at all, because so much of what they do isn't really relevant. And we almost never ask them about the project that they're working on right now, which is what most podcasts do, because usually they are on to talk about a project they are promoting but we're like, "No, no, no... This thing that you've been working on for ten years, that is sort of like an underpinning of open source sustainability - let's get into that."
 
 **Adam Stacoviak:** \[00:08:11.02\] They're very - I wouldn't say "timeless", where you could just listen to them forever, but it's not like you can say, "Oh, that was recorded November 2016" or "That was in October, for sure." From the perspective of the show it's not really like a timestamp on it; it's almost timeless to a degree.
 
@@ -174,7 +174,7 @@ And being able to go that deep on licenses - and not just licenses in the sense
 
 I think we ended up following that conversation a lot; more than most of them, we fell back to the notes a little bit less.
 
-**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah. I remember one thing she said that stuck with me... It was about how licenses themselves are these reusable documents where instead of every project having to pay a whole bunch of legal fees to get their docs in order, you just had these documents you can essentially copy/paste into your projects and you know that you're legally covered. I hadn't really thought about how revolutionary that is, but coming from \[unintelligible 00:18:18.27\], you have to hire a lawyer if you wanna...
+**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah. I remember one thing she said that stuck with me... It was about how licenses themselves are these reusable documents where instead of every project having to pay a whole bunch of legal fees to get their docs in order, you just had these documents you can essentially copy/paste into your projects and you know that you're legally covered. I hadn't really thought about how revolutionary that is, but coming from startups, for example, you have to hire a lawyer if you wanna...
 
 **Adam Stacoviak:** Everybody's really giving the same thing every single time, because there's some unique experience for each and every company, and everybody ends up doing the same thing, just copy/paste the business name, to some degree. I mean, they'll probably even hire the same firms, same attorneys...
 
@@ -186,7 +186,7 @@ I think we ended up following that conversation a lot; more than most of them, w
 
 **Mikeal Rogers:** Well, I think the difference in perspective between developers and lawyers looks really interesting, too. Like, I've never heard somebody say, "What do you mean 'license proliferation'?" There is no standardization around any licensing in the proprietary world.
 
-**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, that was interesting. So you have the authorship side from the lawyer perspective or from the business perspective; if you have proprietary license, you have to hire somebody (a lawyer) to write that, and on the receiving side as well. So if you say "This is MIT", we have \[unintelligible 00:19:39.24\] what that means. But if every proprietary license is different, you have to actually have lawyers vet it on the receiving side, even if it is like Adam said, a copy/paste from a previous proprietary license; it doesn't matter. So you have costs on both sides, which I had never even considered.
+**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, that was interesting. So you have the authorship side from the lawyer perspective or from the business perspective; if you have proprietary license, you have to hire somebody (a lawyer) to write that, and on the receiving side as well. So if you say "This is MIT", we have a preconceived understanding of what that means. But if every proprietary license is different, you have to actually have lawyers vet it on the receiving side, even if it is like Adam said, a copy/paste from a previous proprietary license; it doesn't matter. So you have costs on both sides, which I had never even considered.
 
 **Adam Stacoviak:** \[00:19:56.04\] I also appreciated - and this isn't exactly accurate, but something she said was pretty funny... "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on Reddit." \[laughter\] Which is not true; I mean, she's a lawyer...
 
@@ -338,7 +338,7 @@ Let's talk about that, then, unless we have any more before we open up the expec
 
 **Nadia Eghbal:** I'm glad it's worked out that way, because I don't know that we could have done it weekly, but I love the idea of having these nice little bundles of information... Like with season one, we were thinking about a theme for each of those episodes, and they all kind of fit together into this one complete package. I'm always a fan of TV shows, like I cancel it after one or two seasons, because they end up becoming these cult favorites, and everyone just like dissects every single episode, so maybe I'll end up doing that.
 
-**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. One of my favorites, on that note, is The Newsroom from HBO, and it's three seasons long; Aaron Sorkin wrote it, and the writing and the writing \[unintelligible 00:37:34.12\] is phenomenal, and I'm upset that it's three seasons, but at the same time I'm glad it's over, because I don't know if I can handle seven years of Newsroom.
+**Adam Stacoviak:** Right. One of my favorites, on that note, is The Newsroom from HBO, and it's three seasons long; Aaron Sorkin wrote it, and the writing and the cinematography is phenomenal, and I'm upset that it's three seasons, but at the same time I'm glad it's over, because I don't know if I can handle seven years of Newsroom.
 
 **Nadia Eghbal:** It's perfect. \[laughter\]
 
@@ -348,17 +348,17 @@ Let's talk about that, then, unless we have any more before we open up the expec
 
 **Mikeal Rogers:** I think also how we think about this show changes with this kind of seasonal mindset, because it's not just that it's hard to schedule us and that we travel a lot, it's also the kinds of guests that we're getting and how we wanna approach them. Some of them we talk about how to approach for months, actually... Like what angle do we take and what do we kind of stay away from, because there are certain topics that the person can and will talk about for 20 minutes, but if we start to touch on that, it's not really relevant and not really where we wanna go.
 
-There's one guest that we've been talking about for at least three months, and I keep thinking about how to approach this person, which angle to come at it from. We wouldn't be able to do that if it was a weekly show \[unintelligible 00:38:39.20\] "Oh, who's doing something cool that we can schedule in and just kind of get him to talk about it?"
+There's one guest that we've been talking about for at least three months, and I keep thinking about how to approach this person, which angle to come at it from. We wouldn't be able to do that if it was a weekly show where every week we're like "Oh, who's doing something cool that we can schedule in and just kind of get him to talk about it?"
 
 **Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah, we're not just trying to fill a slot... Because our time is precious, everyone's time is precious on this show, and we're trying to really think through what does each episode say and what does it stand for.
 
 **Adam Stacoviak:** Which I think is the exact thing I personally needed on the perspective of podcasts, because we feel like -- maybe it's more of a me thing (I don't know, Jerod, if you share this feeling or not), but we almost have this pressure in our position to create blockbuster podcasts... Good podcasts that get -- it's not even about listens, it's more about the popularity of it. And to not have simply the \[unintelligible 00:39:30.23\] to laser focus on a single season, an overarching topic across that, the right kind of guest to share that message... To me it shows a depth and thoughtfulness that I hadn't -- not so much not considered, but hadn't considered mostly because the cadence of podcasts typically is like any podcast you listen to out there, 9 times out of 10 it's weekly. And to sort of be free of those shackles was very refreshing with this podcast.
 
-**Mikeal Rogers:** \[00:40:04.25\] Yeah, it's just different. I love both... I love Saturday Night Live, but they don't out together sketches because they're all the best sketches, they put it together because it's Saturday and it's midnight and they have to do a show.
+**Mikeal Rogers:** \[00:40:04.25\] Yeah, it's just different. I love both... I love Saturday Night Live, but they don't put together sketches because they're all the best sketches, they put it together because it's Saturday and it's midnight and they have to do a show.
 
 **Jerod Santo:** Exactly, yeah.
 
-**Mikeal Rogers:** And there's something to that - they get to be much more topical and they get to be part of the culture of now, but also I still watch old episodes of the \[unintelligible 00:40:29.29\] in a way that I don't watch old episodes of SNL.
+**Mikeal Rogers:** And there's something to that - they get to be much more topical and they get to be part of the culture of now, but also I still watch old episodes of the Chappelle Show in a way that I don't watch old episodes of SNL.
 
 **Jerod Santo:** Right. Yeah, the constraint requires them to be creative in certain senses, so that will squeeze out creativity where it otherwise would not have. At the same time, it also means that you're shipping a bunch of stuff that is half-baked, you know? So it's constraints...
 
@@ -370,7 +370,7 @@ In light of all that, tell us what your thoughts are for season two. I know we h
 
 That's not what the whole season will be about. There's a bunch of other great people that we're planning on having and that we'll continue to consider, that we actually do know about. But you know, continually soliciting these sorts of unsung heroes is a way to get at that research that we really can't do on our own.
 
-**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah, totally. I mean, again, selfishly, it's also an excuse to find new people that I just have never heard about who are doing interesting work and \[unintelligible 00:42:42.05\] they've been hearing about new people and that's been awesome. I think because I'm fairly new to this space, when I started - you start having these sort of go-to stories that you come back to, and the go-to people that you go back to... You can only keep so many people in your head at one time, like "These are all the people I know who know other things that are relevant", and when we planned season one out, it was a lot of people that we already knew, which made sense; being experimental, they were patient with us... But I'd really love to go forward and always continue to meet new people; I think it's important not to get overly comfortable in the same set of stories or the same groups of people or the same way of thinking. I think that's just a recipe for anything dying out, and I'm always looking for what is happening that I'm not thinking about, and how can I push my current thesis about how I think the world works through alternative stories and viewpoints. I think that's a big part of what we're trying to do for our next season.
+**Nadia Eghbal:** Yeah, totally. I mean, again, selfishly, it's also an excuse to find new people that I just have never heard about who are doing interesting work and already from putting out a call for that I've been hearing about new people and that's been awesome. I think because I'm fairly new to this space, when I started - you start having these sort of go-to stories that you come back to, and the go-to people that you go back to... You can only keep so many people in your head at one time, like "These are all the people I know who know other things that are relevant", and when we planned season one out, it was a lot of people that we already knew, which made sense; being experimental, they were patient with us... But I'd really love to go forward and always continue to meet new people; I think it's important not to get overly comfortable in the same set of stories or the same groups of people or the same way of thinking. I think that's just a recipe for anything dying out, and I'm always looking for what is happening that I'm not thinking about, and how can I push my current thesis about how I think the world works through alternative stories and viewpoints. I think that's a big part of what we're trying to do for our next season.
 
 And then also the concept of unsung hero is not just people that we don't know, but also people doing the kinds of work on open source projects that might not always get attention. So when I put out a request about this, a couple of people were talking about conferences and events, and events being a really big part of any thriving open source community, whether you're launching your project in person or you're meeting other people... Developers are really big on in-person events, and that's something that people don't always think about; it's not that events in themselves always sustain your projects - although they do sometimes - but it's more just that there's all this other necessary work that isn't just about code that we kind of take for granted... So I think I would like to dive into some of those perspectives, as well.
 
@@ -406,7 +406,7 @@ And then also the concept of unsung hero is not just people that we don't know,
 
 **Mikeal Rogers:** I love Saturday Night Live.
 
-**Jerod Santo:** We're like the Dana Carvey, Mike Myers and then \[unintelligible 00:46:13.01\] era.
+**Jerod Santo:** We're like the Dana Carvey, Mike Myers and then Will Ferrell era.
 
 **Adam Stacoviak:** Yes. The one you go back to listen to or watch.