R-Ladies Bioconductor collaboration post draft

[jananiravi]

for proof, cc: @shannonpileggi @yabellini @drmowinckels

[yabellini]

I don't know if we agree on this text here to be published, but the big issue here is that Bioconductor already posted.

I dislike that Bioconductor, which has people paid to work for them, is imposing its agenda on a completely 100% volunteer organization like R-Ladies.

Even if we agree on the text, they shouldn't publish it before us.

I have some questions and some change requests.

[yabellini]

We should mention other communities without them knowing we are going to mention them.

[jananiravi]

We are just mentioning that R-Ladies works with these communities. Do you want me to check in with them?

[yabellini]

I think we are mixing here the work of the chapters with the work of R-Ladies Global.

For example, LatinR hosts tutorials with R-Ladies Chapters in Latin America, but R-Ladies Global never officially got involved in that. Now, R-Ladies Global has worked with useR! and Posit, beyond the local chapters.

I don't know what we have done with the other communities listed there. Even when some of us belong to more than one community, that doesn't mean we do that work representing or in the name of R-Ladies. I would like to give credit for the collaborative work to the chapters when it is due.

[shannonpileggi]

Agreed that the concept is muddy. Can be resolved by deleting this sentence, as not essential to the scope.

[yabellini]

This is a surprise, we didn't know about this working group. As we said many times before, we don't allow chapters or groups to use our name inside the institution.

[jananiravi]

Yani, this is just the working group that started the conversations with you -- a group of us from bioconductor (who are also R-Ladies) who are working towards a possible collaboration resulting in this initiative. This started after our initial call and shared interest -- we will change the language to rm partnership and add initiative/collaboration, instead (as suggested by Shannon).

[mblue9]

I've changed partnership to collaboration in the PR here: Bioconductor/BiocWorkingGroups#45

[yabellini]

I would encourage people to join the R-Ladies Slack Community, no a channel inside Bioconductor. This can be see as a chapter of R-Ladies inside Bioconductor and we don't allow to do that.

[jananiravi]

Yes, we can add that, too. Again, the #rladies channel is where we started talking about what can the two communities do together -- this is for bioc folks to know how to connect to RL -- we can point them to the RL community! I asked Shannon if other RLadies links needed to be added. We can add the R-Ladies organizer and community slack links there.

[jananiravi]

If they are coming from the RL side (in this blog post), they will start with RL slack and probably have a bioc or compbio channel (we already have an #r4bio channel) to talk about computational biology. this is not talking about a chapter but a way to communicate for folks already part of a community.

[jananiravi]

I don't know if we agree on this text here to be published, but the big issue here is that Bioconductor already posted.

I dislike that Bioconductor, which has people paid to work for them, is imposing its agenda on a completely 100% volunteer organization like R-Ladies.

Even if we agree on the text, they should publish it before us.

I have some questions and some requests for change.

Sorry you feel this way, Yani. Bioconductor is not pushing anything on to R-Ladies. Shannon (on behalf of RL) and folks from the Bioconductor community advisory board have been adding suggestions to the doc, and we have been going back and forth. We got through a few changes and discussions on the doc and finalized a few days ago.

Since the BioC conference is this week (as I had mentioned), we were trying to finalize once @shannonpileggi approved all the comments and she gave an OK for a PR (via slack). I misunderstood and thought that the RLadies leadership team approved it for publishing. Since the Bioconductor community manager (@mblue9) is traveling internationally to bioc, she posted it yesterday. No other reason than that. If there is any concern, I can ask bioconductor to retract and repost. I didn't think there was any concern based on the conversation.

Once again, I apologize for any confusion on my part. We meant to get your feedback and thoughts (which I thought we did). We only moved forward following that. It makes sense to have links from both -- and I requested feedback on that, too. Happy to change whatever needs to be changed. Let us know what you all think.

[yabellini]

@shannonpileggi is a member of the R-Ladies Leadership, so she can approve a blog post, and I support her decision. She took charge of this matter to move forward, and I am very grateful for that.

I still think that both organizations should publish the blog post simultaneously, and we should agree on how to spread the word about it.

I understand the urgency of the timing of the conference, but this agreement was not just for this particular conference.
In any case, I am giving my opinion here because my review was requested in this PR.

[shannonpileggi]

Sorry for the confusion I introduced! @jananiravi what I did not communicate clearly is that we view a PR as a way for others to chime in and give feedback prior to publishing; not that a PR submission is approval of the final piece. Sorry for not being clear.

[jananiravi]

Not a problem, Shannon. I didn't mean to rush or complicate anything, either. I just misunderstood -- should have asked to clarify (I was too preoccupied to notice). I am also looping in @mblue9 (Maria Doyle) so we are on the same page. I'm glad we cleared the air because I don't want to start what might be amazing for both organizations on the wrong foot. Thanks for understanding. For now, we can edit the post here and revise the Bioconductor post, too. I shared our handles on the platforms. We can retract and repost those, too, as needed. [I will take a look at this tomorrow after my proposal deadline.]

[mblue9]

Hi all,

I apologise for the confusion caused by the premature posting of the blog. We misunderstood and thought it was approved. I’ll work on making the necessary edits to both the blog post and the working group description to ensure they align with R-Ladies' feedback.

I've opened PRs to incorporate the feedback:

Blog post PR: Bioconductor/biocblog#66
Working group page PR: Bioconductor/BiocWorkingGroups#45

Thanks for your understanding, and I look forward to working with you further.

[shannonpileggi]

Could you please expand on what kind of support you would provide to chapters who host such watch parties or jointly hosted events? In order to be a true collaboration resources need to be shared both ways.

[jananiravi]

Sure, we can make that more explicit. For starters, the material/content and the speakers would fully come from BioC events -- seminars, workshops. For other alternatives, I will wait for @mblue9 to be back from the BioC conference (that's going on now @ MI).

[yabellini]

Finally, I found the time to go through this blog post. I made some suggestions for change.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	title: "Invitation to participate in the new R-Ladies–Bioconductor collaboration!"
	title: "New R-Ladies–Bioconductor collaboration!"

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	We are excited to invite you to join a new collaboration between two global communities, each committed to building diverse developer communities around the world, R-Ladies and Bioconductor.
	We are excited to share a new collaboration between R-Ladies and Bioconductor, two global communities committed to building diverse developer communities around the world.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	R-Ladies chapters work alongside other like minded communities such as [LatinR](https://latin-r.com/en/), [RainbowR](https://rainbowr.netlify.app/), [miR](https://mircommunity.com/), [ArabR](https://arabr.github.io), [AfricaR](https://r4africa.org/), and [AsiaR](https://github.com/asiar-community).
	R-Ladies chapters work alongside other like-minded communities at local, regional, and global levels.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	This coincidence of interest between members of both communities has already manifested in several R-Ladies chapters organizing events related to Bioinformatics and several R-Ladies members being part of the Bioconductor community.
	This announcement formalizes this spontaneous collaboration between the two communities.

[yabellini]

I remember a YouTube channel/list of a chapter that has the video of this series of meetups about Bioconductor. It would be good to add a link, but I don't remember the chapter. The person who showed me this was a chapter organizer who was also part of Bioconductor and was in the meeting that R-Ladies had with Bioconductor, which I participated in a lot of time ago.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	- Jointly host events with local chapters
	- Jointly host events about Bioinformatics with local R-Ladies Chapters interested in the topic.

[yabellini]

I don't understand what this means.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	- Learn more about and partake in our joint initiative at the [Bioconductor Working Group page](https://workinggroups.bioconductor.org/currently-active-working-groups-committees.html#r-ladies-and-bioc).
	- Learn more about and partake in our joint initiative at the [Bioconductor Working Group page](https://workinggroups.bioconductor.org/currently-active-working-groups-committees.html#r-ladies-and-bioc): this groups is for Bioconductor members to learn about R-Ladies and how to get in contact with the community.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	- Join our #rladies channel in [Bioconductor Slack](https://slack.bioconductor.org/) to stay updated and connect with the community.
	- Join #rladies channel in [Bioconductor Slack](https://slack.bioconductor.org/) to stay updated and connect with the community.

[yabellini]

Suggested change

	- Join the [R-Ladies Community Slack](https://guide.rladies.org/comm/slack/) to engage with the global community.
	- Join the [R-Ladies Community Slack](https://guide.rladies.org/comm/slack/) to engage with the global community. (only for women and other gender minorities)