Mania hold note ticks shouldn't exist

[smoogipoo]

Type

Game behaviour

Bug description

A common theme that comes up is the existence of hold note ticks. There's a few reasons for this:

1. They're not frequent enough, leading to them being cheese-able and to discussions/issues like "Strict hold" mod for mania #24286 and Reconsider scoring of SmallTick / LargeTick #23403
2. They affect accuracy and combo, meaning that the final acc% is different to osu!stable, and thus so is the ScoreV2 score.

In general, it seems like players wouldn't mind if LNs were to not increase combo while holding. I believe we'll still want some sort of visual here, especially for the argon skin that animates on ticks, but that should be done as a local implementation instead. Doing so may lead to better visuals anyway for long hold notes that are beat-offset - they could/should all flash at the same time whereas currently they'll flash at different times.

Screenshots or videos

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Version

71ec290

Logs

[peppy]

As someone who is still not a huge fan of having hold notes in their mania maps (very subjective, i know), I tend to agree with this. Distilling hold notes back down to "start + end" rather than "start + ticks + end" is fine by me.

[bdach]

@smoogipoo what's happened with this one? what's with the change from "in progress" to "needs discussion"?

[smoogipoo]

I don't know how to proceed here. I'm awaiting for feedback in #11769 (comment)

[Sebaex]

I don't know how to proceed here. I'm awaiting for feedback in #11769 (comment)

Well, for mania, that's how it works considering the implementation of ScoreV2 in stable, and the focus of the gamemode isn't too much the combo, but rather the overall acc the player gets, at least from what i see from the community

If also removing them solves unwanted behavior like #24584, then should be a win-win right?

Although wonder what's the overall aim for mania in terms of scoring for lazer, if porting stuff from stable to lazer or doing something new

[bdach]

@Sebaex the blocker here is technical and not game balance.

[bdach]

@smoogipoo does anything that happened in the thread you linked since I brought this up last time help to move this out of discussion? If we're fine with new HitResults then that's probably enough to progress this, isn't it?