Add authentication sub-namespace to user #1146

heyams · 2024-06-11T23:31:12Z

I chose user.anonymous_id because of #1121

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thompson-tomo · 2024-06-13T03:30:48Z

I would suggest we look to finalise the discussion in #1104 especially around scenarios & use cases prior to merging this request.

github-actions · 2024-06-29T03:20:15Z

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heyams · 2024-07-01T22:51:38Z

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please keep open.

heyams · 2024-07-02T18:40:31Z

@AlexanderWert can you please join next Monday's semcon SIG to discuss this? I will be there.

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trisch-me · 2024-07-18T09:15:37Z

please update also markdown

trisch-me · 2024-07-29T14:21:42Z

@heyams let's wait for outcome of the discussion in the related issue
#1104 before continuing on this PR

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.chloggen/add_authentication_user_subnamespace.yaml

heyams · 2024-08-06T20:48:04Z

i can't validate chlolg yaml locally.. stuck with this

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model/general.yaml

model/registry/user.yaml

.chloggen/add_authentication_user_subnamespace.yaml

docs/attributes-registry/user.md

lmolkova · 2024-08-08T16:42:23Z

@AlexanderWert could you please take another look? I believe your feedback was addressed.

heyams · 2024-08-08T19:05:22Z

i checked that link is still live. is this false negative?

lmolkova · 2024-08-08T19:49:20Z

model/general.yaml

-      - ref: enduser.role
+      - ref: user.id
+        requirement_level:
+          conditionally_required: If instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users and if `user.authentication.id` is set, recommended otherwise.


sorry, I think I got it wrong in my previous suggestion.

We don't want user.id to be used for authenticated users, do we? so I guess it should be

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conditionally_required: If instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users and if `user.authentication.id` is set, recommended otherwise.

conditionally_required: If and only if instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users.

wdyt?

I believe the goal is to prevent someone from duplicating things (or using user.id for authenticated one) like

❌ Bad:

user.authentication.id = lmolkova user.id = lmolkova

❌ Bad:

user.id = lmolkova

we want people to do

✅ Good:

user.id = QdH5CAWJgqVT4rOr0qtumf

✅ Good:

user.id = QdH5CAWJgqVT4rOr0qtumf user.authentication.id = lmolkova

✅ Good:

user.authentication.id = lmolkova

Maybe another way to same this is that this value SHOULD NOT be identifying in anyway to the real user id. So this value MUST not contain PII which can directly identify the authenticated user.

PII is once concern, but my main point is is avoid duplication (you should not generate new guid for the sake of populating user.id) and consistency - everyone should be using user.*.id in the same way

for azure monitor javascript SDK, browser always has a cookie named ai_user=QdH5CAWJgqVT4rOr0qtumf.
this will be tracked via user.id regardless of whether user is authenticated or not. user can choose to use user.authentication.id for the real user's id/name.

can we make it not required and remove the condition completely?

I'm missing something.

The condition here is if tracking unauthenticated users is supported, so azmon distro should set user.id based on it.

this condition says nothing about authentication.

all i'm saying that user.id is not a required field.

would this work?

Suggested change

conditionally_required: If instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users and if `user.authentication.id` is set, recommended otherwise.

recommended: If and only if instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users.

i'm saying that user.id is not a required field.

It might be not required for this specific use case. But for anything related to the users in OS user.id is well known and important field

lmolkova · 2024-08-08T19:57:44Z

model/registry/user.yaml

+          The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in.
+          In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies.
+
+          It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.
+
+          It can be a random guid or a hash of the user's IP address. This is different from `user.hash` which is a hash of a known `user.id` or `user.name`.


sorry, one more minor suggestion to rearrange things slightly (feel free to rephrase or not take it at all)

Suggested change

The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in.

In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies.

It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.

It can be a random guid or a hash of the user's IP address. This is different from `user.hash` which is a hash of a known `user.id` or `user.name`.

The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in.

It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.

In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies. It can also be a random guid or a hash of the user's IP address. This is different from `user.hash` which is a hash of a known `user.authentication.id` or `user.name`.

docs/attributes-registry/user.md

MSNev · 2024-08-08T20:13:31Z

docs/attributes-registry/user.md

+**[2]:** Useful if `user.authentication.id` or `user.name` contain confidential information and cannot be used.
+
+**[3]:** The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in. In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies.
+It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.


I would remove this line, OpenTelemetry should not be making these statement.

As it's up to the application to determine whether or not they want to track the user.id when the user in authenticated. For client applications this is almost ALWAYS required as they will use this to identify the "user" in some random way

why?

we want authenticated user id to always be in the same attribute user.authentication.id. If you don't have means to track unauthenticated users, you should never populate user.id.

Otherwise how you see people using those attributes?

only authenticated user id can be tracked through user.authentication.id and everything else is tracked through 'user.id', it can be anonymous, random, pseudo, unauthenticated, unauthorized and etc. can we not make any recommendation how OpenTelemetry customers use this attribute? as long as we have a crystal-clear description, it's up to the users to decide. does it help?

We're recommending to use user.id only if app has some means to identify them (without authentication),
Assuming app has no means to identify users before authentication, user.id should not be used.

App can identify them by generating guid on every call, that's also a way of identification/tracking.

So from what I can tell this NOT RECOMMENDED just reinforces the description and does not contradict anything you're saying.

I want to keep this sentence since I expect people to put things they don't need into user.id and want to do as much as possible to avoid it. What's the problem in keeping it?

I don't have a strong opinion on this; your argument seems valid. let's try to resolve it in Monday's SIG with @MSNev and everyone else.

I’m finding these names a bit confusing, and agree with this:

I expect people to put things they don't need into user.id and want to do as much as possible to avoid it

It seems that unauthenticated/tracking/pseudo user ids are fairly specific to client (browser/mobile) instrumentation, so maybe it’s better to have a more specific name for that concept (and not use user.id for it)?

MSNev · 2024-08-08T20:13:47Z

docs/general/attributes.md

+| [`user.roles`](/docs/attributes-registry/user.md) | string[] | Array of user roles at the time of the event. | `["admin", "reporting_user"]` | `Recommended` | ![Experimental](https://img.shields.io/badge/-experimental-blue) |
+
+**[1]:** The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in. In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies.
+It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.


Again remove

MSNev · 2024-08-08T20:16:47Z

model/registry/user.yaml

+          The `user.id`, when populated, is expected to be generated before user is authenticated and SHOULD NOT change after the user logs in.
+          In browser scenarios `user.id` is usually stored in cookies.
+
+          It's NOT RECOMMENDED to populate this attribute when unauthenticated users are not tracked or identified by the system.


MSNev

Please see comments about being not recommended.

trisch-me · 2024-09-16T15:07:42Z

@heyams hey, do you have any updates for this issue? Can you ping me in slack if you have worked on it while I was away?

heyams · 2024-09-16T19:09:14Z

@heyams hey, do you have any updates for this issue? Can you ping me in slack if you have worked on it while I was away?

will do

lmolkova · 2024-10-14T17:43:00Z

Do we want to close this one in favor of #1456?

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When someone should use user.name/user.id ? #1172

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	conditionally_required: If instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users and if `user.authentication.id` is set, recommended otherwise.
	conditionally_required: If and only if instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users.

	conditionally_required: If instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users and if `user.authentication.id` is set, recommended otherwise.
	recommended: If and only if instrumentation supports tracking unauthenticated users.

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