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OpenTelemetry should use an allowed port #1148
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from the spec issue triage mtg today, setting to P1 so we can have a quick decision. perhaps setting the port number a required parameter will allow us to set it to a default we want to choose later. |
Following up from the same meeting. I'm making an IANA application now. I'll include the governance committee and @tigrannajaryan in all communications with them. |
@tigrannajaryan @bogdandrutu three questions that I need answered before I file this:
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I would assume it is enough to mention that the protocol is HTTPS based (it is, right?) |
@Oberon00 I added this: "OTLP uses client transfer security by default. While users can opt out by enabling the OTEL_EXPORTER_OTLP_METRIC_INSECURE SDK flags, we do not expect this to be common." @tigrannajaryan let me know what I should enter for the list of TXT keys and I'll submit. |
Does this proposal mean we need to change the default port? It will break a bunch of software that relies on the defaults. |
It does. Do you think the benefits of having a reserved port outweigh the pre-GA change? Bogdan also proposed an alternative of making the port a required parameter during RC and then defaulting it (via an optional parameter) to the newly-assigned port at GA. If you think that it's too late and we should stick with our current port, then we can close this and I won't submit the request to the IANA. |
Server-side you can have the code listen to both old and new ports. The only hard break is for new-built clients that cannot be configured to talk to old servers. |
I'll add this as a discussion topic at Wednesday's Collector SIG meeting |
Let's discuss. Perhaps we can come up with some transitional backwards compatibility plan, e.g. receive on both old and new port during a transition period. |
Also, we need 2 ports. OTLP/HTTP uses a different port 55681. |
Why doesn't OTLP/HTTP use the normal HTTP port? |
@Oberon00 technical limitations of Go-based implementation: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1223 It may be possible to overcome the limitation and I'd highly prefer to use the same port if possible. We have an open issue open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 but no known solution yet. |
@Oberon00 I think I misread your question. What do you mean by normal HTTP port? 80/443? They are privileged port numbers and I don't think we want to impose root permissions as a requirement to use OTLP/HTTP. |
Discussed this in TC meeting today. We are going to look into 2 issues before making a decision on this:
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I had a quick look at the old/new port number support.
I believe this is sufficient to change the port number without causing pain to current users. Once we have the outcome of the investigation from Bogdan we can move forward. |
OK, from what I see 4317-4319 range is unassigned. We can request 4317 and if it turns out OTLP/HTTP needs a separate port then 4318 in addition to that (unless port choices were already made - I don't see anything in this thread). |
No choices have been made, I’ll submit the application for 4317 tomorrow morning. Can you answer my question about TXT records? I need to put that in the submission.
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OK, from what I see 4317-4319 range is unassigned. We can request 4317 and if it turns out OTLP/HTTP needs a separate port then 4318 in addition to that (unless port choices were already made - I don't see anything in this thread).
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@mtwo I do not fully understand what the TXT record is for in the context of port registration. Can you clarify or point me to the relevant part in the port registration RFC? Assuming this is the name of the protocol we may need to wait until we have a decision about using 1 or 2 ports. If it is one port we will call it "otlp", if 2 ports then it will be "otlp/grpc" and "otlp/http". |
Related to open-telemetry#1816 Fixes open-telemetry#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry#1148 (comment)
Related to #1816 Fixes #1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: #1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry#1816 Fixes open-telemetry#1835 Fixes open-telemetry#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on.
Related to open-telemetry#1816 Fixes open-telemetry#1835 Fixes open-telemetry#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on.
Related to #1816 Fixes #1835 Fixes #1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: #1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR #1839 and then reverted in PR #1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
* Change default OTLP port number Contributes to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 Note that a separate port is used for OTLP/HTTP for now. There is currently work in progress to confirm that we can use the same port. Once we have the confirmation I will update the spec again to use one port. * Address PR comments
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment)
Related to open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1816 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1835 Fixes open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1920 Some historical context: we wanted to make grpc and http use the same port and we had an open issue in the Collector to do so: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 The conclusion is that there are technical hurdles that make it unfeasible: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#1256 (comment) Because of that we need to keep grpc and http ports separate. This means we need to change the spec to say that otlp/http uses port 4318. Once this PR is merged we will also need to submit for port 4318 registration with IANA like we did previously with port 4317: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1148 (comment) There was also a draft PR to merge the ports in the Collector but it was not completed: open-telemetry/opentelemetry-collector#3765 Note that this change was initially submitted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1839 and then reverted in PR open-telemetry/opentelemetry-specification#1847 because we hoped that the merging could be successfully done. We believe that we should no longer pursue this and should consider the ports separate from now on. Note 2: we consider this a spec bug fix (spec was impossible to implement), rather than a functionality change, that's why we believe this is an allowed change.
What are you trying to achieve?
Conformance with Internet standards.
What did you expect to see?
A port number in the range of User Ports, and ideally one assigned by IANA.
Additional context.
OpenTelemetry is using port 55680. According to RFC 6335,
On a practical front, ports in the high range are usually allocated dynamically by the operating system, so there is some random chance 55680 is in use for that purpose and your OpenTelemetry receiver will not start.
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