Weapon models missing normalmaps and materials

[kaadmy]

Just a couple things that stood out while tweaking model alignment in third/first person.

• Lightning gun has a lower resolution skin than most other weapons
• Lightning gun doesn't appear to have a normal map, seems very flat
• Grenade launcher has tiny specular highlights, hardness has to be tuned down a bit
• Rocket launcher has tiny specular highlights, hardness has to be tuned down a bit
• Hand grenades need a new model and texture, with a small red material pulse.
• Shotgun needs more bumpiness
• Hyperblaster needs more bumpiness
• Adrenaline doesn't have a normal or material file
• CTF flags don't use tintmaps yet
• CTF flags don't have normalmaps (Not noticeable ingame, this is find as-is)

[jdolan]

• Ironically, the LG is one of the best looking weapons in the game in my opinion :)
• Agreed that the 'nade could be rounder, and could use a normalmap, maybe even a material.

[jdolan]

@Panjoo What do you think of @Buzzard-Bait redoing the GL? It's always been an outlier in terms of its shape. It's been difficult to scale correctly in relation to the other weapons. It takes up a lot of the screen when active, etc. He is shopping his resume around and could use a new portfolio piece..

[Panjoo]

I think there are questionable design choices in all weapons (but not too bad) so I never had the feeling that the GL didn't fit in with the rest. Okay it is wider than the other stuff, but it is also instantly recognizable and looks like it could actually hold and launch a couple of those round pineapples.
It does kinda stink that I already put a buttload of hours into that model making it error free and especially redoing and enhancing all the skins. And will more weapons follow?
That said, if he thinks he can make something better and deliver a complete weapon: model, skin, glow and normalmap without my help then he can go ahead and try it of course.
But to be honest I don't think I'd be willing to -if needed- finetune or tweak something that is also ment for his portfolio. So, I have some mixed feelings about this Jay, but if you think it will benefit quetoo then I won't stand in the way and I'm kinda curious what he'll come up with.

[Buzzard-Bait]

either way, it would be a portfolio piece. And im not so sure on it. but an error free mesh with a proper normal is no problem as i have learned quite a bit in my absence. Even if it isnt on a level of detail that would be accepted i would love to have your opinion on it Panjoo. I have about half of it done at the moment. If its not used its not used. iv had a hard time coming up with a design that i am satisfied with. i think its still lacking very much but its something that i can accept at the moment. gonna keep tweaking and see what happens with it. I think i can do you proud tho honestly. would love to show how i have improved to you as well. May not be top notch, but it is better than the shit i did 6 or 7 months ago. would love to collaborate at some point on things. still much to learn but getting there.

[Panjoo]

I see what you mean. There are some things that hold true for mapmaking as well as modeling. It's easy and tempting to get lost in the details, so watch out for that until you're certain that you're going to keep them.

Also don't hesitate to delete or thow away big chunks of the model if you feel you get a "writer's block".
I've had this happen so many times when building maps. Then I design a map area that looks great and promising in itself, but no matter what I do it just will not connect with the rest of the map structure. It's almost like I'm trying to force a piece of puzzle in that's not even from the same puzzle.
But at the same time I really want to keep and use that area. So if I don't make the right decision at that point it will probably break the map, instead of make it. If I decide to "Frankenstein" the cool area into the map then people who see and play it will most likely sense that something is not right, even though they can't put their finger on it.
So the wisest thing would probably be to cut that area out and save it for another project. It sucks to delete work but I've learned to look at it as a sacrifice that was needed to get back on the right track. Sometimes you really need to make something in 3D first, just so you can see that it's not what you want.
And doodle stuff on paper as much as you can, not only when you get stuck but also to get to know your own design. I hope that makes sense, it does to me:)

[Buzzard-Bait]

Oh for sure, makes perfect sense. Iv had to do the same with things that i have worked on. it really does suck, and i probably drag on the decision more than i should of ditching what i think looks cool in place of fun game flow or just all together working with everything else around it. Thats probably the hardest call i ever make doing 3d stuff. and i suck at calling it as well lol. THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR THIS TO FIT! and who knows, maybe there is. but thats when ya gotta sit back and look at your timeframe. do you really have the extra time to spend on that asset or part of the level and leave everything else unattended? sometimes i wonder why i even like doing this shit? lol. But its a sense of pride when you are finished and that feeling of hell yeah. thats mine that dude is shooting with, or jumping around in. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Panjoo ***@***.***> wrote: I see what you mean. There are some things that hold true for mapmaking as well as modeling. It's easy and tempting to get lost in the details, so watch out for that until you're certain that you're going to keep them. Also don't hesitate to delete or thow away big chunks of the model if you feel you get a "writer's block". I've had this happen so many times when building maps. Then I design a map area that looks great and promising in itself, but no matter what I do it just will not connect with the rest of the map structure. It's almost like I'm trying to force a piece of puzzle in that's not even from the same puzzle. But at the same time I really want to keep and use that area. So if I don't make the right decision at that point it will probably break the map, instead of make it. If I decide to "Frankenstein" the cool area into the map then people who see and play it will most likely sense that something is not right, even though they can't put their finger on it. So the wisest thing would probably be to cut that area out and save it for another project. It sucks to delete work but I've learned to look at it as a sacrifice that was needed to get back on the right track. Sometimes you really need to make something in 3D first, just so you can see that it's not what you want. And doodle stuff on paper as much as you can, not only when you get stuck but also to get to know your own design. I hope that makes sense, it does to me:) — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#92 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AYSml-CnNJPdd7N5FX_HYKUnEaTyILVlks5snVGGgaJpZM4MYXyI> .

[jdolan]

I love seeing this kind of back and forth here :)

[Buzzard-Bait]

[Buzzard-Bait]

still tweaking the view alignment but where it is there the grenade looks as if it comes out from the right area. glows green in the port holes on that side piece. not sure if thats the best way to go honestly but am open for any opinions. Old GL was 918 tris this one is 1,082. Little more but it should be within acceptable terms i believe. the shotgun is a bit closer to the same tricount at 1,027.

[Buzzard-Bait]

grenadelauncher.zip

[Buzzard-Bait]

forgot to add that. guess that would help as well lol

[kaadmy]

Maybe move the GL down and back very slightly, right now it's pretty big in the view.

[Buzzard-Bait]

Did it matches better now need to upload new zip

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On Sep 30, 2017 1:58 PM, "KaadmY" ***@***.***> wrote: Maybe move the GL down and back very slightly, right now it's pretty big in the view. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#92 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AYSml9Ts43WDx2jfvqwLe8VGv3PMe98cks5snoExgaJpZM4MYXyI> .