Render line separating adjacent golf courses

[jidanni]

Just like with administrative districts, if they are rendered then the
line between adjacent ones is rendered too, not just their collective
outer boundary.

So it should be with the line separating adjacent

• (High class, exclusive) Golf Course A, and
• (Low class, public) Golf Course B.

Not #2069 .

[danieldegroot2]

Ref #3045 (linking to main issue to make this one easier to track).

[imagico]

Without providing a single example where there is a problem that needs fixing i would consider this an invalid issue.

For the abstract possibility sketched in the issue - as a general principle we do not want to render land ownership or other purely abstract delineations without practical on-the-ground significance. So if two golf courses connect without there being a physical barrier of some sort (which we render as a barrier=*) we deliberately would render without a line implying there is a verifiable delineation between them.

But if anyone has a practical real world example of two golf courses connected without there being a physical barrier where displaying a delineation would be desirable under our goals i would be happy to consider that.

[danieldegroot2]

see also #3264 (comment)
(which I only found after seeing earlier it was similar for parks and looking through the main issue again just now.)

ps: possibly this might help get an idea (I'm not an expert): https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1AC8

[jidanni]

https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=42.1705014&mlon=-87.8135252#map=17/42.1705014/-87.8135252

[jidanni]

Gov't map does it the right way!

[jidanni]

• The all-male membership at Bob O'Link Golf Club plays on a course designed by ...

• While over at the public Sunset Valley golf course:

The Parks Foundation of Highland Park is dedicated to the belief that every resident deserves the opportunity for an enriched, healthy lifestyle. The Foundation supports and enhances the Park District of Highland Park’s exceptional facilities and provides resources to ensure that all community members are able to participate in Park District programs. The Parks Foundation of Highland Park is an independent, community-led, 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.

Yes, to squirrels, bumble bees, etc. they both seem like one big blob of green. But for humans, they highlight how boundary lines are important to render.

You might say "if they are so rich, then why can't they afford a fence?" Well, the boundary goes through some woods, so no fence is needed. But there are plenty of woods all around there, so one cannot rely on mapping woods and thus deriving a clear boundary.

[imagico]

If the mapping in that area is accurate - one private golf course, one with unrestricted access (i have never seen such a golf course - but that does not not mean it does not exist), partial physical separation with a fence but no physical barrier preventing entry apart from that - i think we do a pretty good job at depicting that. What could be worth considering:

• changing the line signature for golf=hole to be less likely to be confused with barriers or power lines
• distinct rendering of unrestricted access golf courses (if such thing indeed exists in larger numbers)

Both these things would be different issues.

[jidanni]

Never mind about access nuances about which is men only or women only etc. And which is open from 9 to 5 vs. 9 to 6, and which has a daily fee vs. lifetime only... Even if all those are the same, the dissolved borders version represnts data loss, even if the reader is a member of both clubs or a member of neither.

Plus simply placing names without boundaries adds danger of misinterpretation.