vector type tracks

[wirmachenbunt]

vector type tracks which save multiple values in one keyframe

would speed up animating transformations and save screenspace, its one of the biggest advantages of the After Effects timeline

[joreg]

can you elaborate on this...
that would be new types of tracks, like: 2d, 3d
there you set normal keyframes but when editing the value of a keyframe you can edit 2 values, ja? or would it be one track that allows you to set X keyframes and Y keyframes?

[wirmachenbunt]

edit multiple values saved into one keyframe. 2D, 3D...yeah
(no x keyframes and y keyframes...this would be status quo)
does not need to be just XY or XYZ...could be more flexible with any number ...n-dimensions

[joreg]

but that means whenever you want to set only X you also have to set Y. without having tried this it feels unintuitive..

[wirmachenbunt]

erm, no...y just keeps its value. mm, probably worth making a screencapture of the AE workflow
example:
00. first keyframe is 0 / 0 / 0 ...

1. set pointer to a new time and just change x to 3 and you get a keyframe like 3 / 0 / 0
2. set pointer to a new time and change y to 4 and z to 2 and you get 3 / 4 / 2

get me ?

[wirmachenbunt]

here we go, AE interaction including keyframe creation, copy paste and snap to an existing keyframe and change it....in that order. i hope you see how speedy this works and i'm not even trying to be fast. ;)
https://vimeo.com/105802196

[wirmachenbunt]

had a look at duration and this looks suprisingly similar to timeliner concering a min/max (curve) based track. i can only imagine this comes from audio automation or things which work with just one scale. its completely ignoring the fact that animation of visual things needs lots of different scales (ie. camera movement)

in addition, i prefer looking at the scene, since this is what i want to put in motion and not at the timeline curve. the curve is only interesting once the animation is done and you like to tweak the easing stuff in more detail with bezier handles.

this is why AE is so quick to use...its reduced to the simplest form most of the time.