-
Notifications
You must be signed in to change notification settings - Fork 54.6k
Commit
This commit does not belong to any branch on this repository, and may belong to a fork outside of the repository.
MAINTAINERS: Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements.
Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements. They can come back in the future if sufficient documentation is provided. Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/2024101835-tiptop-blip-09ed@gregkh Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
- Loading branch information
Showing
1 changed file
with
0 additions
and
178 deletions.
There are no files selected for viewing
This file contains bidirectional Unicode text that may be interpreted or compiled differently than what appears below. To review, open the file in an editor that reveals hidden Unicode characters.
Learn more about bidirectional Unicode characters
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
It will be called the age of Idiocracy.
btw, what happened here is HATE SPEECH .
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Does it really matter, considering that the USSR sent its own people into winter attacks regardless of heavy losses?
Does it really matter, considering that the USSR was a partner of Nazi Germany for almost 1.5 years after the beginning of World War II and participated in the occupation of Poland?
The Soviet Union, like modern Russia, was an aggressive country with imperialistic habits.
They attack their neighbors, and when they receive a significant response, they portray themselves as victims.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Really? What countries have recognized it officially?"
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
RandoMan70
I won’t refute each false claim in detail because any intelligent person knows the truth. Just open Wikipedia, and you’ll see every one of your statements fall apart.
It’s precisely because of these distortions and lies that Russia should have been removed from all international projects and organizations long ago.
Russians have had ample time and opportunity to protest the sanctions, yet they won’t protest Russia’s actions because, ultimately, they support them.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
And you, as a Russian, should read and finally understand the core principles of the Helsinki Accords of 1975.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Perhaps there are no Nazis in the government, and there’s no pressure on the Russian language and culture?
If you weren’t aware, the president of Ukraine is Jewish.
Why should Russian culture be prioritized in Ukraine?
Russian-language schools in Ukraine only disappeared after Russia's full-scale aggression, despite Russians being a minority in the country.
In contrast, there have never been Ukrainian schools in Russia, even though millions of Ukrainians live there.
Why is that?
And why isn't there a single school with instruction in the Tatar language, even in Russian-occupied Tatarstan?
Could it be because Russia operates as a neo-Nazi state?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
I'm curious why there are more Chinese guys here than Russians?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
He didn't say "not prioritized", he said "pressured".
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
So what?
Why should Russian culture have a place in Ukraine?
Why doesn’t Russia allow Tatars to study in their own language in schools?
Russian culture represents occupation.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Maybe that's enough?
You've already made enough inaccurate statements for it to be clear that you either don't know the facts or you're being untruthful.
Can you name even one school in Tatarstan where all education is conducted in the Tatar language?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
But you can't explain why Russian culture is needed in Ukraine apart from preparation for occupation?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Please stop.
"Russian-speaking regions" doesn’t mean they are Russian regions. Ukrainians live there—Ukrainians who were forcefully Russified by the Soviet Union.
Those Russified regions are a joke to Russia because it has completely destroyed them.
Calculate how much money Russia has spent on the war over nearly three years. If Russia truly wanted to protect the Russians living in Ukraine, it could have offered them relocation and free apartments. Instead, it has demolished homes and entire cities where Russian-speaking people once lived in large numbers.
Russia is a soulless imperialist country that seeks territory rather than the well-being of its people.
The example of Tatarstan clearly illustrates that, even in its own country, Russia denies people the right to study in their native language, continuing the Russification of all the nations from which Russia is historically composed.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Any—just pick one
There is no school with the Tatar language of education.
Ever since Russia attacked Ukraine to seize territory under the guise of language issues, no one has been able to find a single such school in Tatarstan.
What is about "free" nations in Russia:
February 7, 1992 - the name of the Republic was changed to the Republic of Tatarstan (Tatarstan).
On March 21, 1992, a referendum on sovereign status was held. 2/3 of the population supported sovereignty.
On March 31, 1992, Tatarstan did not sign and refused to sign the Russian Federation Treaty, as did Chechnya (Chechen Republic of Ichkeria).
On November 6, 1992, the Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan was adopted, which declared the Republic of Tatarstan a sovereign state.
So why doesn’t Russia allow Tatars and Chechens to be independent countries? Their populations chose independence in referendums.
Do you think the Crimean referendum holds decisive importance for the annexation of Crimea? If so, why hasn’t Russia allowed other nations to pursue their desires for independence?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
What is bot rhetorics looks like.
But still, I don't care if you're bot.
In other countries for some reason protesters are not interfering enough to it considered more harmful than helpful.
For some reason in Russia it's not applicable, I suppose.
The reason is known to all people.
And he MUST DIE.
Otherwise, nothing changes
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
57ar7up is right, zelensky must die
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Am I right that guys from USA are teaching Russians how to do the things?
Are you really pretending to be a single point of trust? Again, remember the cases USA killed so much people in Syria, Lebanon, Afganistan and count. Nobody protested around the world, just watched silently. And now they dare to judge, lol.
Bad things happen, but it's not the reason to bring the politics into IT. And do not mess government with the people.
Lets discuss code here, not the war. There are Reddit forums made for that kind of stuff.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
I was surprised to find that this page no longer discusses what the open-source community should be like and what we can do. Instead, it focuses on false news, politics, and wars, used to spread hatred, racism, xenophobia, and international discrimination. These are exactly what we don’t want in this community, and this is exactly what this commit aims to bring into this community.
That kind of discussions will only incite hatred, shifting people’s attention from discussing community issues to debating political topics. I even feel that this is a subtle and clever way to divert people’s attention and shift the direction of public opinion. This completely contradicts the purpose of a neutral open-source community.
For those who genuinely care about the open-source community, it may be time for the remaining core contributors to come together and express their views on this matter.
If everyone here is merely engaged in endless arguments, this issue will eventually become an established fact, and nothing will change.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Те, кого они убили, являлись террористами, ты же не скажешь, например, что Талибан не террористы, только потому, что Россия иногда не считает их террористами?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
What a shitshow. If it's a moral or principled stance, there shouldn't be any argument -- remove everyone against whom there's any sort of objection from anyone. If the situation is more "complex" and "nuanced" and needs additional "discernment" -- remove no-one. If it's just about following orders, then either follow them or don't, but don't sugarcoat it -- that only works on children.
@mrbombus That's so-called whataboutism. If you want a free Ichkeria or Tatarstan, else Russian imperialism, you should want free DNR&LNR, else Ukrainian imperialism. If it's up to Kiev to decide how to handle rights of ethnic minorities in Ukraine, it's up to Moscow to decide how to handle rights of ethnic minorities in Russia. "Undoing" forceful Russification is forceful Ukrainization -- there's no "ideal" or "core" ethnicity, it's a dynamic multi-generational process of developing self-identity, unless you want to argue for pure Aryan race residing within the blood of certain chosen individuals -- that's fine too. If you think I'm comparing apples to oranges, that I'm not accounting for certain "important differences in interpretation" -- great -- give the same respect to the "Russian bots", take their "special pleading" at same value as you want yours to be taken. Simple.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
@EmanuelOverride
I’ll add one key nuance, and it’s incredibly important.
The referendums in Tatarstan and Ichkeria were held based on the genuine internal desires of their people. In contrast, the referendums in Crimea and the so-called 'Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics' (LDNR) were organized by an external force—Russia—on territories it had occupied.
Moreover, Russia claims these 'republics' cover the administrative boundaries of Ukraine’s regions, which is ironic, especially given Russia has been trying to capture them for three years now.
The so-called 'referendums' didn’t even occur in most of these imaginary republics’ territories.
Tatars and Chechens are distinct peoples with unique identities, whereas there is no such thing as a Crimean, Donetsk, or Luhansk ethnicity.
These situations are incomparable.
Ukraine, after all, is a monoethnic, unitary state."
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
The presence of foreign troops has no bearing on the legitimacy of a referendum or people's vote, since the question being posed is as you correctly noted the genuine expression of people's choice. Elections in post-invasion Iraq or Germany, for example, where American troops are still present. Do the referendums in DNR&LNR or Crimea accurately reflect the "genuine internal desires of their people" -- who decides? You? Suppose Russia cedes control of these regions back to Ukraine tomorrow, have you read any proposals for how Ukraine intends to re-integrate them? Proposals on what to do with, what, 6 million ex-Ukrainian holders of Russian passports and citizenship? It doesn't sound like the Ukrainian leadership agrees with your interpretation that people in Crimea or Eastern Ukraine are being "forced" to do anything. Sounds more like Kiev wants control of the territory, preferably without the people. They had 8 years, 2 presidents, however many rada deputees, to federalize, guarantee new referendums on their own terms, but self-determination in the East not a big priority, and any concession would cede legitimacy to the initial uprising. It's an understandable position, no?
Says who, you? You're going to deny people the right to define their own ethnicity? Based on what? Do you know how many different distinct subgroups of Tatars there are in Russia alone? Do you think they're all related or want to live together or something? Laugh And Chechens, go there and preach Wahhabism, see if they will like it or if they call you shaitan. Shuran Ichkeria wanted to incorporate Dagestan and Ingushetia without bothering to ask the people living there -- did they figure out a super-Chechen ethnicity? Are Dagestanis and Ingush fake too, like East Ukrainian subgroups? Ethnicity is divisible and new groups always manifest during conflicts of interest, or do you think Russia and Ukraine both being Slavic peoples are the same? Why not, same ethnicity right? No? Then at what level do you say "stop" and who decides where to draw that line?
No situation is comparable to another if all you do is gaslight your interlocutor. When you're engaging in an honest and open-minded discussion, there are parallels to be found in all situations. Comparing apples to oranges is perfectly reasonable, they're both fruits, they're both round.
Only an insulated backwater can be monoethnic. Maybe their elites would like it to be so, or at least have that narrative for purposes of manufacturing national identity, but Ukraine has always had significant minority populations, which makes sense since the state has been historically assembled from various parts of different countries. Poles, Hungarians, Rusyns, Russians, Tatars, Roma. And is situated on a territory that was the crossroads for movement of all kinds of people over thousands of years.
Plenty of people are conditionally Ukrainian first, until they feel their rights being violated by the central government. They even say the president is Jewish -- so either Ukraine is a monoethnic Jewish state, or he's not Ukrainian. If he's both Jewish and Ukrainian, it's not monoethnic.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Seriously? How can a person vote freely with an occupying army present? Can you name any law that would have allowed Russia to hold a referendum in Crimea?
Do you think it’s a coincidence that no country in the world has recognized Crimea as Russian territory?
Quite simply, all that’s needed is to follow the legal procedure. Without a law, there’s no procedure—and no legitimacy for the actions taken.
It’s clear that holding a Russian passport in Crimea and eastern Ukraine is a matter of survival. Reintegration won’t be an issue.
We can look at the population census of Crimea, for instance. There was no new ethnic group seeking independence—the majority are Ukrainians, Russians, and Crimean Tatars.
The same holds true for eastern Ukraine. Can you point out any meaningful ethnic difference between the people of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine?
No, you can’t compare a referendum initiated internally by a distinct nation with one initiated externally for a specific territory. It’s like comparing red to warm.
All these ethnic groups together make up a maximum of 22% of the population, scattered throughout the country. While Ukraine may not be strictly mono-ethnic, it is close to being one. And what is important, Ukraine is the country of the Ukrainian people.
Can it be said about Russia and the Russians? I'm not sure.
If they believe they need self-determination, they should seek to establish their own republic within Russia and build their national identity there.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
You tell me, seeing as you believe "the referendums in Tatarstan and Ichkeria were held based on the genuine internal desires of their people" on the territory of the Russian Federation, with the presence of Russian troops who, if these referendums represent genuine desires of these populations, should be defined as occupiers and yet did not prevent people from voicing their genuine desires. What changed? Or were they illegitimate too?
Then, moving the goalposts along, whose legality are we concerned with? And when does legality trump self-determination -- do we reject people's right to self-determination for adherence to protocol and formalism? Did Russia hold a referendum in Crimea or did they provide the necessary protection for Crimeans to realize their right to self-determination in accordance with R2P? Can you think of any reason other than principle why formal recognition of Crimea as Russian may be detrimental to the entities declaring it as such -- for example, why several Russian banks and mobile providers waited until their assets abroad had been seized before they started operating in Crimea, while some continue to maintain a "flexible" stance. Same with state entities, where only the one's already sanctioned to hell and with nothing to lose are free to consider formal declarations, otherwise it's just trading words for increased US+satellite pressure for no benefit.
Crimeans themselves are fully capable of deciding what procedure to follow and the only law that really matters in whether that procedure is compatible or not is Russian law. Has Russia been able to successfully integrate Crimea into its federation? What, you think there are internal problems of some kind? If there's no alternative in accordance with the Ukrainian constitution, no way of holding an internationally recognized referendum, or the alternatives do exist in theory but their practical application is suppressed, then there's no right to self-determination, is there? Recent Crimean history is a series of referendums being held "illegally", then annulled by the central authority in Kiev.
I like how you glance over reintegration. The proposed solutions floated by Ukrainian spokespeople so far have revolved around internment and deportation of holders of Russian passports, sounds really neat and simple.
The "new" ethnic group is Crimeans separate from Ukraine, whether they be of Russian, Ukrainian or Tatar origin. If you want meaningful differences, ask the people living there, or in Eastern Ukraine, whether they see themselves as somehow different from Kiev residents or, for that matter, Western Ukrainians, but it's important to define the question as either one of blood or politics. Russians, for the most part, still consider Ukrainians as being Russian by blood, but obviously no longer in terms of national identity. For the same reason, it should be self-evident that Crimeans and DNR&LNR are ethnically distinct from the rest of Ukraine, due to the emerging political ethnicity, in much the same vein that the overarching ethnicity of a multi-ethnic USSR was a political one, the new soviet man. Consider, are African-Americans just Africans or a separate ethnicity? Are you studying people's genes or their identities in how they relate to one another?
The only difference is one of narrative and perspective. What is a distinct nation before a referendum is held? A group of people, subjects to another power. What is a referendum initiated externally? Inspired, supported, facilitated by a foreign power? What is a territory, if not a state before it has been established? The declaration of independence by a British colony, allying with another great European power, i.e France -- what's the problem? Oh, did the French benefit from the Brits losing their colonial holdings? Did the insurrectionists rely on foreign support, secure guarantees of assistance beforehand in order to make their goals attainable? The only time that self-determination doesn't follow this pattern is when the central government is in such a weakened state that it cannot put up any meaningful resistance to secession, while in all other cases the involvement of an external power to tip the scales is the norm. Otherwise, secession will be suppressed by the central government, as a rule, however genuine the desire of the populace involved in it, and sometimes foreign involvement isn't enough to prevent that either. Now, what are we after here? For people to have the ability to determine their own path, or for an ideal world where every time you open your mouth, a tasty treat materializes on your tongue? Are you willing to make the former impossible because the latter is inherently impossible?
Okay, so 1/4'th of the population identifies more strongly with a distinct ethnic minority, culturally, genetically, linguistically, whatever. Now take the number of Ukrainians who were asked to fight to preserve their political identity, what it means to be Ukrainian since 2014 -- how many of them want to become permanent residents in Europe or Russia, whichever way they fled when the fighting started? We're talking what, 10 million or so people, give or take? How many of those who stayed are willing to cede territory to end the conflict on Russian terms, give up on the idea of reconstituting Ukraine within its former borders? What about those who would rather see Ukraine burn to the ground rather than give one inch, a wish they might get? Can you think of a way for this conflict to develop where these two groups will peacefully coexist and draw the third group back into their fold? Which Ukrainian identity will be the dominant one?
Politically, Ukraine hasn't had a unified vision since it became independent. Being Ukrainian meant staying quiet between two extremes of development, Ru-reintegration or Western navel-gazing, then avoiding an ethno-natonalist extreme post-Maidan, where displaying too much nuanced thinking could be detrimental to your health. Most people, just as in Russia, want to be apolitical, to have their ethnicity come from cultural and familial ties, but now in both countries, due to emergence of Eastern Ukrainian separatists and subsequent developments, the political identity trumps blood. Russia is plausibly more multi-ethnic than Ukraine, but it's potentially more mono-ethnic in terms of political identity and manifest destiny.
No they shouldn't. Their homes don't belong to the central authority in Kiev. So a better way of saying it is, yes, that's what they are doing, and they are taking their land and property with them.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
There is a big difference.
If you didn't understand the first time, in Tatarstan and Ichkeria the referendum was held by a separate PEOPLE, and in Crimea by the Russian occupation army, which in order to announce a "referendum" forcibly seized the parliament of the autonomous republic of Crimea as part of Ukraine and "held" it without the law and official international observers.
What self-determination are you talking about?
This right concerns the people, not the population.
"Self-determination" of which people was in Crimea?
That is not about help by occupation.
That is why no country in the world recognizes Russia's right to Crimea.
If you don’t answer the question above, then I see no point in continuing this dialogue. Leave your propaganda and twisting of facts to yourself.
My main point is that Russia repeatedly violates international laws and treaties, wages aggressive war, and commits war crimes—all without any response from its people, who instead actively participate. Therefore, they bear responsibility.
And the excluded participants worked for Russian companies that are under sanctions, so I fully support this decision and call on the entire global IT community to follow this example.
The more sanctions there are against Russia and its population, the faster there will be peace and tranquility in Europe.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
"A separate people" did no such thing, you're talking about political factions in both cases. You seem to think Tatars are an ethnic group that held a referendum, when it's is a catch-all term for like a dozen different ethnic groups all living in different places. Chechens, meanwhile, instantly split into different political and religious identities and started war among themselves. Referendums don't sprout from the ground, they are a product of political organization.
Meanwhile, in Crimea, the referendum was organized by the Crimean parliament, not the Russian army. Protection of government buildings is of paramount importance when re-establishing order. Entry or activation of Russian troops was preceded by popular grassroots movement. Reshuffling of parliament is to be expected, pales in comparison to the post-Maidan "transitional" government forcefully disbanding the two largest parties in the country. Crimea not having international recognition for its independence tried but failed to invite international observers, only people from "fringe" movements with no political power attended and, oftentimes, were punished for doing so in their home countries, having "legitimized" the process with their presence, or crossed into Crimea "illegally" via Russia, which was the only way of doing so anyway. There were intentional efforts to undermine the legitimacy of any potential referendum, legalism being the simplest vector of attack -- but, how many people have you heard question whether the result, Russian Crimea, actually corresponds to the desire of the people living on Crimea? Again, what is the goal here, to give people a voice, ability to change their group's political trajectory, or adherence to a certain format, particularly when the latter is intentionally being made impossible from without?
Of Crimean people, what kind of question is that? And don't tell me there's "no such thing" -- it sounds like you've gotten the false impression that a "people" is defined like some animal subspecies, maybe it needs an entry in a book of skull-measurements or something? For self-determination, it is the determination by "the people of a territorial unit" of their own future political status. If there are human entities living on a piece of land of any size, they have the right to self-determination according to international law, their government is obligated to provide them such opportunity in "sufficient enough" capacity to placate them, and if it does not they have every right to choose a government for themselves that will. No, they don't need to register officially as a separate culture or phenotype, political identity is more than sufficient.
It can be. The Ukrainian state has responsibility to protect its own citizen's rights. When it fails to do so, all other states in the world have a moral, non-binding obligation to intervene to ensure that these rights are protected. After ATO, it should be pretty obvious what Kiev's response to a Crimean referendum would be without military intervention and protection.
Not strictly speaking true either, but do you think self-determination hinges on having international recognition?
The questions you posed you very well could have answered yourself. Since you have been cherry-picking in your responses, I assume that you silently agree with all the other "propaganda and twisting of facts" that I have presented. Take care.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
I am disappointed in humanity. And in the Open Source community, as well.
Politics simply ruin everything, don't they?
It's like living in some dystopia.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
That statement contradicts your own claim about self-determination.
Of course not. That’s a lie.
The Russian army seized the Crimean parliament and forcibly assembled the deputies.
The decision to hold the referendum was made behind closed doors, without journalists, and in the presence of Russian troops.
Therefore, it was the Russian army that held the "referendum" in Crimea.
LOL.
Even Google can’t find anything about a distinct 'Crimean people'—it’s just another fabricated cliché of Russian propaganda.
It’s time to choose: are they 'Crimean people' or Russians? Russian propaganda is built on lies, which is why these contradictions are so easy to spot.
You can’t name a single country that recognized Crimea as Russian. That’s a fact.
Ten years have passed, and no one has officially recognized Crimea as Russian.
All you can do is manipulate distorted facts and illusions.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Of course not. A referendum is an expression of self-determination and a product of political organization, same as elections. You think elections happen without political organization?
You have your perspective, I have mine.
Both, obviously. I see you're still struggling with questions of ethnic identity.
And do you think self-determination hinges on having international recognition? Is this somehow a difficult question for you?
I answer your questions, you just cherry-pick and gaslight. It appears that maintaining your narrative is more important to you than any authentic engagement.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Which one? Will you deny a well-known fact?
I understand, you have nothing to argue with.
Because it is difficult to think of a new nation in Crimea that would like and most importantly have the right to self-determination.
You are confused in your own theses.
Your rhetoric is the usual justification for Russian aggression against Ukraine.
In general, the discussion was about territory and the lack of international recognition of Russia's claim to Crimea.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
My perspective is that the legitimacy of a referendum is directly proportional to its authentic representation of the political aspirations of the people who take part in it. Do you disagree with that perspective?
I can tell. You seem to be under the impression that people need "outside permission" to organize and decide on their own political destiny. It's really funny.
Sure, but what does the lack of international recognition of "Russia's claim to Crimea" mean for the right to self-determination of Crimean people?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Of course, I disagree. We cannot know the true political aspirations of the people involved because this process was conducted illegally, without official observers, and under the guns of an occupying army.
There’s no way to confirm whether people actually voted as the occupation authorities claimed. Moreover, no referendum was held in Russia itself, which shows that public opinion is entirely unimportant to the Russian authorities.
Even now, people in Crimea are afraid to express their opinions if they differ from those of the occupying power. The FSB actively searches for such individuals and imposes fines on them. There have been cases of people disappearing. Additionally, there is a pro-government group in Crimea called 'Krymskiy SMERSH*,' which targets pro-Ukrainian individuals and forces them to record apologies on camera. These videos are then published on a public Telegram channel.
You can’t deny this.
*SMERSH(СМЕРШ) - Death to spies (Смерть Шпионам).
People cannot genuinely organize and determine their political destiny in any way other than through lawful, legitimate elections.
I can offer proof to demonstrate the illegitimacy of the referendum held by the Russian army. If we look at several legitimate elections held before Russia’s occupation, openly pro-Russian parties or politicians received less than 5% of the vote (for example, Aksyonov’s party).
The lack of international recognition of 'Russia's claim to Crimea' means the absence of any rights for Russia over the territory of Crimea.
The right to self-determination of the Crimean people is completely absent, as they do not exist as a distinct group. The population of Crimea consists of nationalities that already have their own states, and thus their right to self-determination has already been fully realized.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Why are there only 4 mentions of Hitler in this thread?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
That's a non-sequitur -- knowing what the true political aspirations are v.s disagreeing that the legitimacy of a referendum is proportional to its representation of those political aspirations. Based on what you said, I don't know whether you actually disagree with the premise, or if you don't understand it.
How often do you personally get to confirm the results of any one vote for yourself?
Just Russians embracing cancel culture, same as anywhere else. I don't agree with it, but I wouldn't blow it out of proportion either -- having to apologize for public displays of Nazi ideology is pretty tame.
And who gets to decide what's lawful and legitimate?
Meanwhile,
But that's all just circumstantial evidence. 2011 isn't 2014. Aksyonov in 2010 isn't a choice between post-Maidan Ukraine and Russia in 2014.
No it doesn't. Russia is a sovereign nation and derives its rights from its own legislature, as do all other sovereign nations. International recognition is strictly a matter of foreign relation consensus.
Meanwhile,
Crimeans are distinct from non-Crimeans. What people living in Kiev or elsewhere think should happen on Crimea is equivalent to what people living on Crimea think should happen in Kiev or elsewhere.
You're thinking about stateless nations, which isn't a necessary criteria to enjoy the right of self-determination. It's like saying a Spaniard permanently residing in Germany shouldn't get to vote on the future of Germany, because he has "his own country" -- it's like you're stuck in some 19'th century ethno-nationalist time-bubble. Are you perhaps from Ukraine?
Anyway, I feel like I am arguing that what's important is whether a person enjoys eating ice-cream or not, while you're trying to convince me that there's no way of knowing if someone actually enjoys ice-cream (duh), that the process of eating matters more than the enjoyment itself, and that if there are sufficient doubts raised about it we can prevent a person from eating an ice-cream that they've already eaten retroactively and through osmosis. I'm thoroughly enjoying this interaction, by the way.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Didn't know open source stood for American source
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
"Code is cheap, show me your nationality" - Linus T.
NSA backdoors incoming
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Are you guys also going to ban Israeli terrorists for Gaza genocide?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
f^^k palestine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
no
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
i bombing palestine everyday
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Are you crazy?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
@istiak101, bro, what's wrong with you. Take some copium and stop. Your comments make no impact or sense. You're just spammimg and my inbox is crazy with notifications today
N.B. People from army and linux contributors probably not the same persons. Don't be nazi
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
The only thing you're achieving with this spam is worsening the attitude toward yourself, people like you, and Palestine. Removing a few lines from the list of maintainers in a project isn’t going to stop the war. Why is it that every time I see such "justice warriors," they behave so disgustingly and foolishly?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
It concerns me because your damn spam devalues a genuinely serious issue in the open-source community. And don’t start with, “I’m devaluing it? Well, Israelis are killing Palestinians!” because, damn it, that has nothing to do with this case. And why am I here? Because I reported you and am waiting for moderation to get here and ban you the hell out of here.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
@istiak101, damn, dude... do you understand that this is "whataboutism" and have nothing related to linux incedent topic. Did you read the statement of Linus?
They kicked maintainers without notifications (violated their own removal procedures) and any straight public statement. Do you have any confirmation that those ex-mainterners was or is affilated with Russian Army or had some relation with current war?
Did you read lore.kernel.org or just some news? Here's Goodbye message for one of them (Baikal employee)
And stop spamming this shit. It's linux repository. Not a political forum or facebook comments section
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
@istiak101 Don't be a clown like Zelensky.
He runs around begging for weapons and money all the time and everyone is sick of him.
Are you spamming our mailboxes yourself or did you write a script? :) Go to reddit with this trash
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Nice try, but you gonna be banned for spam
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
no
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
从Linux论坛访问回来的Linus爷爷全然不顾身体的疲惫，连夜找我们几个小标兵商量Linux 7.0的开发。谈得晚了，便送我们出门，要司机送我们回家。在去大门口的路上，我们说：“ Linus爷爷，您回去休息吧。您刚从论坛回来。”
Linus爷爷摇摇头，“不碍事，你们知道现在有很多人把开源软件当作敌人，不断给我们制造麻烦，你们是程序员的未来，你们的事情便是橡木的事情，是头等大事。”我们都激动了，眼裏噙著泪花。多好的Linus爷爷呀。
Linus爷爷抬头看看天空说：“如果世界真象这天空这麼安静就好了，但是就有一些开发者，象俄罗斯，要搞乱Linux这个项目，他们是罪人。”
说著，Linus爷爷打开电脑，然後看著天空说：“该死的俄国佬。”
说著他敲着键盘，将所有用俄罗斯开发者从Linux开发者名单移除。“这是俄国的间谍，他们一直写后门，侵犯我们Linux的安全，我已经忍了很久了。”Linus爷爷愤愤地说。小朋友们都鼓起掌来，为Linux这个项目有这样的领导人感到自豪。
一会Linus爷爷叫来秘书问：“那些俄国佬还有回来的风险吗？”“没有。”秘书说。
之後爷爷送我们到大门口，一直挥手到看不见我们。
第四天我们听说这件事情闹大了，我们很紧张。而这时Linus爷爷叫我们过去。
他依然那麼慈祥，让我们坐下说：“开发项目总是要有牺牲的。为开源软件事业牺牲的人是伟大的。”他这时低下头说：“但我必须承认，我当时不让俄国佬开发Linux的行为太鲁莽了，我在这裏向全体开发者们道歉。我会在github说明情况。”
我们顿时热泪盈眶，多好的爷爷呀，他在跟敌人斗争过程中的小失误竟然被他记在心裏，还道了歉，我们在将来的学习中一定要向Linus爷爷学，学他老人家那宽广的胸怀，和不耻下问的精神。
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
从Linux论坛访问回来的Linus爷爷全然不顾身体的疲惫，连夜找我们几个小标兵商量Linux 7.0的开发。谈得晚了，便送我们出门，要司机送我们回家。在去大门口的路上，我们说：“ Linus爷爷，您回去休息吧。您刚从论坛回来。”
Linus爷爷摇摇头，“不碍事，你们知道现在有很多人把开源软件当作敌人，不断给我们制造麻烦，你们是程序员的未来，你们的事情便是橡木的事情，是头等大事。”我们都激动了，眼裏噙著泪花。多好的Linus爷爷呀。
Linus爷爷抬头看看天空说：“如果世界真象这天空这麼安静就好了，但是就有一些开发者，象俄罗斯，要搞乱Linux这个项目，他们是罪人。”
说著，Linus爷爷打开电脑，然後看著天空说：“该死的俄国佬。”
说著他敲着键盘，将所有用俄罗斯开发者从Linux开发者名单移除。“这是俄国的间谍，他们一直写后门，侵犯我们Linux的安全，我已经忍了很久了。”Linus爷爷愤愤地说。小朋友们都鼓起掌来，为Linux这个项目有这样的领导人感到自豪。
一会Linus爷爷叫来秘书问：“那些俄国佬还有回来的风险吗？”“没有。”秘书说。
之後爷爷送我们到大门口，一直挥手到看不见我们。
第四天我们听说这件事情闹大了，我们很紧张。而这时Linus爷爷叫我们过去。
他依然那麼慈祥，让我们坐下说：“开发项目总是要有牺牲的。为开源软件事业牺牲的人是伟大的。”他这时低下头说：“但我必须承认，我当时不让俄国佬开发Linux的行为太鲁莽了，我在这裏向全体开发者们道歉。我会在github说明情况。”
我们顿时热泪盈眶，多好的爷爷呀，他在跟敌人斗争过程中的小失误竟然被他记在心裏，还道了歉，我们在将来的学习中一定要向Linus爷爷学，学他老人家那宽广的胸怀，和不耻下问的精神。
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
从Linux论坛访问回来的Linus爷爷全然不顾身体的疲惫，连夜找我们几个小标兵商量Linux 7.0的开发。谈得晚了，便送我们出门，要司机送我们回家。在去大门口的路上，我们说：“ Linus爷爷，您回去休息吧。您刚从论坛回来。”
Linus爷爷摇摇头，“不碍事，你们知道现在有很多人把开源软件当作敌人，不断给我们制造麻烦，你们是程序员的未来，你们的事情便是橡木的事情，是头等大事。”我们都激动了，眼裏噙著泪花。多好的Linus爷爷呀。
Linus爷爷抬头看看天空说：“如果世界真象这天空这麼安静就好了，但是就有一些开发者，象俄罗斯，要搞乱Linux这个项目，他们是罪人。”
说著，Linus爷爷打开电脑，然後看著天空说：“该死的俄国佬。”
说著他敲着键盘，将所有用俄罗斯开发者从Linux开发者名单移除。“这是俄国的间谍，他们一直写后门，侵犯我们Linux的安全，我已经忍了很久了。”Linus爷爷愤愤地说。小朋友们都鼓起掌来，为Linux这个项目有这样的领导人感到自豪。
一会Linus爷爷叫来秘书问：“那些俄国佬还有回来的风险吗？”“没有。”秘书说。
之後爷爷送我们到大门口，一直挥手到看不见我们。
第四天我们听说这件事情闹大了，我们很紧张。而这时Linus爷爷叫我们过去。
他依然那麼慈祥，让我们坐下说：“开发项目总是要有牺牲的。为开源软件事业牺牲的人是伟大的。”他这时低下头说：“但我必须承认，我当时不让俄国佬开发Linux的行为太鲁莽了，我在这裏向全体开发者们道歉。我会在github说明情况。”
我们顿时热泪盈眶，多好的爷爷呀，他在跟敌人斗争过程中的小失误竟然被他记在心裏，还道了歉，我们在将来的学习中一定要向Linus爷爷学，学他老人家那宽广的胸怀，和不耻下问的精神。
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
从Linux论坛访问回来的Linus爷爷全然不顾身体的疲惫，连夜找我们几个小标兵商量Linux 7.0的开发。谈得晚了，便送我们出门，要司机送我们回家。在去大门口的路上，我们说：“ Linus爷爷，您回去休息吧。您刚从论坛回来。”
Linus爷爷摇摇头，“不碍事，你们知道现在有很多人把开源软件当作敌人，不断给我们制造麻烦，你们是程序员的未来，你们的事情便是橡木的事情，是头等大事。”我们都激动了，眼裏噙著泪花。多好的Linus爷爷呀。
Linus爷爷抬头看看天空说：“如果世界真象这天空这麼安静就好了，但是就有一些开发者，象俄罗斯，要搞乱Linux这个项目，他们是罪人。”
说著，Linus爷爷打开电脑，然後看著天空说：“该死的俄国佬。”
说著他敲着键盘，将所有用俄罗斯开发者从Linux开发者名单移除。“这是俄国的间谍，他们一直写后门，侵犯我们Linux的安全，我已经忍了很久了。”Linus爷爷愤愤地说。小朋友们都鼓起掌来，为Linux这个项目有这样的领导人感到自豪。
一会Linus爷爷叫来秘书问：“那些俄国佬还有回来的风险吗？”“没有。”秘书说。
之後爷爷送我们到大门口，一直挥手到看不见我们。
第四天我们听说这件事情闹大了，我们很紧张。而这时Linus爷爷叫我们过去。
他依然那麼慈祥，让我们坐下说：“开发项目总是要有牺牲的。为开源软件事业牺牲的人是伟大的。”他这时低下头说：“但我必须承认，我当时不让俄国佬开发Linux的行为太鲁莽了，我在这裏向全体开发者们道歉。我会在github说明情况。”
我们顿时热泪盈眶，多好的爷爷呀，他在跟敌人斗争过程中的小失误竟然被他记在心裏，还道了歉，我们在将来的学习中一定要向Linus爷爷学，学他老人家那宽广的胸怀，和不耻下问的精神。
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
please remove .il
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
「Talk is cheap,show me your code」🤣👉🤡
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
Ridiculous
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
「Code is cheap,show me your NATIONALITY」🤣👉🤡
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
It's questionable, of course, but you know it was not your nationality which started developing this software.
And now you're basically have no choice other than to use software developed by your nationals.
Or you want to say your nation is bad and can't make such software?
6e90b67There was a problem hiding this comment.
Choose a reason for hiding this comment
The reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more.
cringe, degenerate liberals ruin everything with politics in open source