diff --git a/design/multiple-listeners-design.md b/design/multiple-listeners-design.md
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@@ -18,10 +18,12 @@ This feature is achieved by having Contour only serve two ports - a secure and a
 
 However, when designing Contour's support for the Service APIs, this feature appears to conflict part of the Service APIs contract; namely that you can create an arbitrary number of listeners, on any port, even for the subset of the Service APIs that Contour is targeting.
 
-This document outlines a design for adding support for arbitrary port listeners that attempts to allow marry to ease-of-use of the automatic redirect to the configurability of being able to add arbitrary extra listening ports to Envoy's configuration.
+This document outlines a design for adding support for **additional** arbitrary port listeners that attempts to allow marry to ease-of-use of the automatic redirect to the configurability of being able to add arbitrary extra listening ports to Envoy's configuration.
 
 It should be noted here that using this feature, combined with a TCPProxy with no TLS configured, will allow a very bsaic facsimile of a Layer 4 load balancer to be implemented by Contour.
-Contour's main purupose is still a Layer 7 Ingress Controller, not a Layer 4 load balancer.
+Contour's main purpose is still a Layer 7 Ingress Controller, not a Layer 4 load balancer.
+Contour will still require a HTTP port and a HTTPS port to be configured, this proposal allows for **additional** ports to be added.
+These ports must also have a place to go to on your backend's Service.
 
 ## Goals
 - Allow adding multiple (an arbitrary number) of extra listeners to Contour's Envoy fleet
@@ -33,6 +35,18 @@ Contour's main purupose is still a Layer 7 Ingress Controller, not a Layer 4 loa
 
 ## High-Level Design
 
+### Extra problems to consider
+
+Currently, Contour has command line flags to specify the ports that the Envoy containers should listen on.
+There are only two ports you can specify, secure and insecure, which default to `8443` and `8080` respectively.
+It's assumed that as part of the installation, you have a Service translating from port `80` to `8080` and `443` to `8443`.
+This is part of the example YAMLs.
+
+If you have a Service in the packet forwarding path, then any extra ports you ask Envoy to serve on *must* be exposed via that Service for traffic to reach them.
+
+If you do something else (like running a separate set of machines for Envoy by themselves), then currently you *must* have the secure port set to `443` and the insecure to `80`.
+Otherwise generated URLs will have no port, which is not correct if you are running on nonstandard ports.
+
 ### Configuring the secure and insecure ports
 
 Currently, Contour allows the configuration of the secure and insecure listening ports for Envoy using the `--envoy-service-https-port` and the `--envoy-service-http-port` parameters respectively.
@@ -43,28 +57,35 @@ They should also have aliases added for the command line flags to `--envoy-secur
 
 The Contour Operator may then add support to its `Contour` CRD for tweaking this value.
 
+At startup, and throughout its lifetime, Contour will watch the Envoy service and check that the ports specified are exposed, and, if they are translated, what they are translated *to*.
+Contour will use the externally visible port as the basis for creating redirections and matching ports for listeners.
+These ports are referred to as "externally visible ports" throughout this document,
+with "externally visible secure port" meaning "whatever port an external user will go to to get to the secure port",
+and similarly for the "externally visible insecure port".
+
+If users require, at a later date, Contour may add a feature that disables the service lookup, and assumes that the externally visible ports are the specified ones (that is, that there is no port translation to the Envoy processes).
+
+### Creating a redirection
 For the redirect to be able to work currently, the example YAML and the Operator currently have the Envoy listen on port `8443` and `8080` respectively *inside its Pod*, but this is translated out to `80` and `443` by the `Service` or `Type: Loadbalancer` included there.
 This means that the redirect generated can redirect from `http://somedomanin.com` to `https://somedomain.com` and have everything work.
 
-For this feature to work more broadly, we must add a config parameter `IncludePortOnRedirect`, which, if set to `true`, will have the HTTP -> HTTPS redirect go from `http://somedomain.com/` to `https://omedomain.com:<secureport>/`.
-This will resolve [#1300](https://github.com/projectcontour/contour/issues/1300) as well, and improve support for non-standard default HTTPS ports.
-Note that this is only required if you change the **default** port, that gets the redirect to secure.
-If you add additional HTTPS listener ports, they will **not** get a redirection.
+As part of this change, Contour will include the port number on the HTTPS redirect, if the externally visible secure port is anything other than `443`.
 
 ### HTTPProxy processing
 
-For HTTPProxy resources, we will add an optional `port` field to the `virtualhost` YAML stanza.
+For HTTPProxy resources, we will add an optional `port` field to the `virtualhost` YAML stanza, which matches the externally visible port for the Envoys.
+Specifying a port that does not match at least one `port` on the Envoy `Service` will result a fatal error for HTTPProxy processing, and an Error condition on the HTTPProxy.
 
-The rules for how this `port` field interacts with the rest of Contour would be this:
+The rules for how this `port` field interacts with the rest of Contour would then be this:
 - no port set
     - TLS details set - default secure port, redirect will be created for you
     - no TLS details set - default insecure port, same `permitInsecure` behavior.
 - port set
-    - TLS details set - any port other than the insecure or secure ports, allow. No redirection created for you.
-    - no TLS details set - any port other than the insecure or secure ports, allow.
-    - use the insecure or the secure port - fatal error, HTTPProxy will not be processed.
+    - TLS details set - any port other than the external version of the secure or insecure ports, allow. A new listener will be created if it doesn't exist. No redirection created for you.
+    - TLS details set - port is the external version of the secure or insecure ports - treat as though no port was set. Redirection will be created.
+    - no TLS details set - any port other than the insecure or secure ports, allow. A new listener will be created if one doesn't exist.
 
-The documents for the `port` field must clearly state that it is used for specifying a non-default port *only*. Don't use it for port 80 and 443.
+Contour will watch the `envoy` Service, and check that the supplied port matches one port on that Service, and apply slightly different logic if it's also one of the ports specified as secure or insecure in the config.
 
 ### Service APIs processing