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a standalone MPI_F08 is painful without an ABI #654

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I create a standalone implementation of the MPI F08 module to learn some things about writing language interfaces to MPI.

I worked around a lot of problems like hard-coding MPI_Status to the implementation ABI, which is easy enough to do, although would not be necessary with an ABI.

I can mostly deal with compile-time constants, using my own values and doing on-the-fly conversions back to the underlying implementation's C values.

The place where I cannot deal with this is in user-defined reductions. When I have my own reduction, it takes a datatype argument based on the Fortran type definition in my module. When I pass MPI_INTEGER in Fortran, it uses my compile-time constant (-1003), which is converted to the C value (MPICH's in this case is 1275069467 in decimal), because that is what I have to pass to the C call to MPI_Allreduce. The latter is what my user-defined reduction sees, which is not useful since my Fortran has no idea what the MPICH op % MPI_VAL means.

Because MPICH uses integers, I could hack this and do the back-conversion secretly in my F->C layer, only for user-defined reductions with built-in datatypes, although this won't work if MPICH checks the handle for validity. It also doesn't work with Open-MPI.

I can avoid this problem by doing such as reimplementing all the collectives from scratch in Fortran when user-defined reductions are involved, but that's unreasonable. Another workaround would be to generate a user-defined datatype on-the-fly when the user passes a built-in type with a user-defined reduction, which is probably what I'm going to do, but this should not be necessary.

Update: I can't do the on-the-fly type swap trick because then user code won't get the type they passed at the command-line, so if they have logic to check that (which is common), it's going break.

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This is one of many reasons we should have an ABI. The MPI F08 module was designed to be implementable as a standalone component, but we have failed to make that possible, which means that our ecosystem requires one to compile an entire MPI implementation from scratch just to get a Fortran module, which is an awful user experience because many platforms support multiple Fortran compilers, and building any MPI implementation from source is not quick (open-mpi/ompi#2056).

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