[Maintaince] Current situation and community help

[divine]

Hello,

The current situation with this library is that it will be abandoned soon and yes, it's real.

I don't have the ability to fix the underlying issues (neither does anyone else) as I'm in no way in control of the repository. I can't merge and release the new version due to a permission problem.

It has been 3 years that @jenssegers is silent. Honestly without @Smolevich, @Giacomo92, and other contributors that recovered this library last time, it would be dead already a few years back.

I've invested my personal time and tried my best to keep it alive but this silence isn't acceptable to move this library forward.

@jenssegers if you're not interested in taking care of just transfer to an organization that the community could take care of it. Last time you explained that you don't have time due to new work and went silent completely for a few years...

We as a community tried to communicate but no replies were received.

Sorry for a little bit of the aggressive tone but I'm tired of spending my personal time while somebody who could help solve all of this problem doesn't even reply.

Personal repositories aren't meant to be managed by a few collaborators so moving forward is to transfer this repository to an organization that could handle it. @alcaeus @jmikola maybe you can help with the transfer of this to the MongoDB organization or community-driven organization would be a better fit?

I probably could do some workaround to release the new version but I won't do that as I can't even merge my #2471 which is sad indeed.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

[jenssegers]

What would be your recommendation? What organisation would be a good fit to keep this library alive?

I'm really thankful for all the work you guys have been doing with the library. I've been quite out of the PHP ecosystem for the past years and I don't want to be a blocking factor in moving forward with the library.

[alcaeus]

Hi everyone,

MongoDB has a strong interest in having well-maintained framework integrations, which is why we're currently hiring for a Senior PHP Engineer to help us maintain and improve the integrations to Laravel and Symfony. We are open to moving this library to the MongoDB organisation, but that would need the approval of @jenssegers, the current maintainers, and our product department (@techbelle). At the same time, we wouldn't want to take over the library and just lock out current maintainers, so that's something I would want to discuss as well.

An alternative would be to move this library to either the Laravel umbrella (which would require discussing things with @taylorotwell), the FriendsOfPHP organisation, or a newly created organisation with the sole purpose of housing this repository, along with a minimal owner structure capable of making decisions beneficial to the future of the library. We are open to all of these options, and it mainly depends on @jenssegers and the current maintainers to help us choose one. To that end, we should probably get together and discuss a way forward. I would recommend a virtual meeting given that maintainers are usually geographically separated. I will also be attending LaraconEU next week (January 26th and 27th), so in case any of the maintainers, contributors, or users of this library are attending as well please don't hesitate to come to our booth and talk to me about this library.

@jenssegers, @divine: if you'd like to discuss things in a more private setting first, please contact me. I don't want to make it too easy for spambots, but the email address I use in my commits receives email so that would be one way to get in touch with me.

[divine]

What would be your recommendation? What organisation would be a good fit to keep this library alive?

I'm really thankful for all the work you guys have been doing with the library. I've been quite out of the PHP ecosystem for the past years and I don't want to be a blocking factor in moving forward with the library.

Thank you for getting back. I've tried contacting the owners of a few PHP organizations but they refuse with the suggestion of having a separate organization for this library solely.

if you'd like to discuss things in a more private setting first, please contact me.

@alcaeus I've sent you an email.

Thanks!

[iglazunoff]

Hi everyone!

In my opinion, this library requires total refactoring, since it does not meet the methodologies and approaches that are used when working with MongoDB. Moreover, the team and I had to write our own solution and abandon this library in order to get a friendly codestyle when using Laravel, we also had to write a query builder for aggregation pipelines from scratch, which is not in this library at all.

@alcaeus
It would be interesting for me to work on a library for Laravel, since I have been using PHP + MongoDB for more than 4 years on large and small projects and I live the dream of making an ideal library for PHP and integration with PHP frameworks for this database.

If my impulse is interesting to you, I suggest we talk)

gmail: iglazunoff39@gmail.com
telegram: @iglazunoff

[alcaeus]

After some internal discussions, we are indeed interested in taking over maintenance of this library. @jenssegers if you are interested in MongoDB taking over maintenance of this library, please reach out to me so we can discuss details. You can find me on Twitter (https://twitter.com/alcaeus), or you can grab the email address from one of my recent commits and contact me there.

[Smolevich]

@jenssegers can you answer @alcaeus in this thread or by email/twitter?

[divine]

We had a conversation with @alcaeus and the best for this repository would be MongoDB as an organization to take it over so they can move this library forward. This way it'll be handled properly and the library users will be happy.

@jenssegers please kindly answer @alcaeus.

Thanks!

[divine]

Edit: Not actual anymore.

Thanks!

[Wernke96]

@divine could lararmongo organization just fork this repo? This way we don't have to wait on @jenssegers to transfer it to the organization. I know this would not be a perfect idea but I thought I would ask.

[Wernke96]

So what happens to this repo?

[alcaeus]

We are currently putting the pieces in place to migrate the repository so that there won't be any disruptions in service. We'll post an update once there are news.

[zane-shus]

We are currently putting the pieces in place to migrate the repository so that there won't be any disruptions in service. We'll post an update once there are news.

I am just starting a new project, does this mean it will be easy to use the current repo and easily convert when its moved? (I am new to Laravel and Mongo)

[alcaeus]

Yes.