2026-02-19 (Thursday)

[AkihiroSuda]

How to join

• Date: 2026-02-19 (Thursday) 05:30 UTC (Wednesday 21:30 PST, 06:30 CET, 11:00 IST, 14:30 JST) - 06:30
• Link: https://zoom-lfx.platform.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/lima
  • Zoom, Video recording, and AI-generated meeting note

The meetings are open to anyone, not just for maintainers and contributors.

Attendees

@AkihiroSuda @jandubois @unsuman @afbjorklund @olamilekan000

Agenda

Note taker: @AkihiroSuda

FOSDEM (Jan 31-Feb 1)

• Lima v2.0: expanding the focus to hardening AI by @AkihiroSuda , Jan 31 (Sat) 15:30-16:00
  • Questions: "VMs can be deployed on multiple hosts?", "How does it mount the filesystem on WSL2?", "How does --sync work with AI agents?", etc.

KubeCon EU (Mar 23-26)

• Lima Project Updates: Expanding the Focus To Hardening AI by @AkihiroSuda and @unsuman , Mar 25 (Wed) 11:00 - 11:30

• Project Pavilion: Mar 25 (Wed) 14:00 - 17:00

Recent third-party projects

• https://github.com/recodelabs/lima-devbox (Claude Code Skills)
• https://github.com/nixos-lima/nixos-lima

v2.1

• https://github.com/lima-vm/lima/milestone/62

  • Expected to be released before KubeCon EU

• Hostpath mount validation #4419

  • CI failing, maybe related to Windows -- @jandubois
  • Is this required for KubeCon EU presentation? -- @jandubois
  • No -- @AkihiroSuda

• Feature suggestion: labels for VMs and disks (and networks) #3240 Add meta field to lima.yaml for user annotations #4103

  • Old PR, restarting -- @jandubois
  • The metadata should be available in disks and networks too. An expected usecase is limactl prune --label=FOO (CLI is tentative) -- @AkihiroSuda
  • Meta data can have complext objects -- @jandubois
  • Yes, but most of them will be just a single string. The details can be discussed later -- @AkihiroSuda
  • Adding to v2.1 milestone, but can be postponed later -- @jandubois @AkihiroSuda

• Cache should convert to RAW when needed #4056

  • @unsuman is working on this
  • In the case of QEMU, the image does not need to be converted to raw. Keeping qcow2 may have benefits such as compression -- @AkihiroSuda
  • The simple approach is to just use raw. Keeping qcow2 can be complicated for caching -- @jandubois
  • consistently converting it to raw is fine for now, revert it later if something doesn't work -- @AkihiroSuda

• Fix hostresolver setting for VZ, but disable it by default #4090

  • The hostresolver never worked with vz. This is a feature, not a regression. Can be postponed to v2.2+ -- @jandubois

• The --yes option is inconsistent and confusing #3995

  • @jandubois plan to open a new issue, but has not plan to work on it per se
  • Not a blocker for v2.1

• Use the VM’s IP address on the same subnet as the host OS. #4175

  • Failing CI, likely going to be postponed to v2.2+. (Feasibility seems unclear, maybe never mergeable)
  • Seems hard to automate "You can approve in System Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Local Network." -- @jandubois
  • How is this different from bridges -- @olamilekan000

• Add network policy filtering for user-v2 networking #4326

  • Probably implementation going to be postponed to v2.2+. -- @AkihiroSuda
  • Just let them try to implement it and then we'll see if we want it in the upstream or it should be maintained in third-party -- @jandubois
  • Seems useful for sandboxing AI agents -- @jandubois

• Document github: and custom URL schemes #4299
  github: scheme already has docs, but the plugin infra still has to be documented. Assigned to @jandubois

• feat(templates): add amazonlinux-2023 distro #4454

  • Still needs to test that old image urls continue to work. (They confirmed that they won't remove images just in two weeks) -- @jandubois
  • Also needs to confirm the issue with virtiofs -- @jandubois
  • Can be postponed to v2.2+ -- @AkihiroSuda

• feat: add vmnet_network support on macOS 26+ #4394

  • Depends on feat: add VZVmnetNetworkDeviceAttachment support (macOS 26.0) Code-Hex/vz#205 (Draft, very huge PR)

• Add allow-env and block-env option for limactl shell #4483

  • The author will come back after Chinese new year, so probably we can merge it by v2.1 (not a blocker) -- @AkihiroSuda

• Update docs to use new template locator #4342 Fix template locator docs #4347

  • Probably we have to carry the PR by ourselves. Trivial. -- @jandubois
  • Closed the PR and assigned the issue to @jandubois -- @AkihiroSuda

• VM drivers for supporting macOS guests (vz, host-user) #3618 Support macOS guests #4595

  • Very huge PR, but let me push this to v2.1 for KubeCon demo -- @AkihiroSuda

• refactor: rsync and scp into copytool pkg #4521

  • will review -- @AkihiroSuda

Others

• Any plan to support qemu microvm -- @olamilekan000
  • two approaches: shrink the hypervisor or shrink the image. anyway the benefit is not huge -- @afbjorklund

Tasks

• @jandubois: open the new issue for The --yes option is inconsistent and confusing #3995
• @jandubois : continue Document github: and custom URL schemes #4299
• @jandubois: carry Update docs to use new template locator #4342
• @AkihiroSuda : review refactor: rsync and scp into copytool pkg #4521
• all: review PRs

Next meeting

2026-03-19 (Thursday) Skip due to my schedule conflict

Can have another meeting before releasing v2.1 if needed

[afbjorklund]

For "Recent third-party projects":

Apptainer

Updated Lima section in Apptainer docs, with GPU Support:
https://apptainer.org/docs/admin/main/installation.html#mac

Just adding "krunkit" and "mesa-krunkit", to the previous docs.
Mentioned 2.0 /tmp/lima removal, and fixed some arm64 bugs...

Podman Desktop

The improved support for Lima instances got stuck in code review.
https://podman-desktop.io/docs/lima still covers the basic usage

• feat: show more info about the Lima provider and connections podman-desktop/podman-desktop#15125
• feat: add terminal provider connection for Lima shell access podman-desktop/podman-desktop#15249

[AkihiroSuda]

got stuck in code review.

Probably you should ping the maintainers explicitly

[afbjorklund]

It is more of a corporate project, these days. Even with CNCF.
And most of the review was done by robots, sign of the times...

[afbjorklund]

Apparently they also have a project meeting today:
podman-desktop/community#19 (i.e. at 9 AM EST)

[afbjorklund]

Discussion about MicroVMs, confusingly called "containers":

• The Lima container drivers #3829

There are optional tweaks that can be done to QEMU, as well:
https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/i386/microvm.html

[AkihiroSuda]

AI-generated meeting note

Quick Recap

The team conducted a triage meeting to review and discuss various pull requests and features for the upcoming Lima 2.1 release. They evaluated several PRs, including one for adding metafields to instances, disks, and networks, which Jan agreed to implement but noted would need further discussion in the issue. The team also discussed converting images to raw format, with Jan explaining that while QEMU doesn't need conversion, they decided to use raw format by default for simplicity. They reviewed a PR for host resolver support in VZ, which Jan determined was too broken to include in 2.1 and should be postponed. The team also discussed a PR for network policy with ZR PC, deciding to encourage experimentation while providing guidance rather than requiring approval. Jan agreed to create a new PR for a SED script that had been abandoned. Finally, Akihiro presented a large PR for supporting macOS VMs, which the team acknowledged was complex but potentially valuable for KubeCon demonstrations.

Next Steps

• Akihiro: Send PowerPoint presentation (in Google Docs) to Ansuman for KubeCon, using KubeCon thread templates and update thread for barge 2.1.
• Jan: Review and finish PR for "pretty suggestion available for BMs in disks in networks" (labels/metafields for instances, disks, networks), including adding tests and handling defaults, targeting 2.1 milestone but remove if out of time.
• Ansuman: Start working on "cashes convert to rural" (image format conversion) today.
• Jan: Create new issue for remaining work related to PR 3995 (start option follow-up), and assign to self (no plan to implement, but to split off new issue for further discussion).
• All interested: Review proposal for network policy plugin (issue 43206) and provide feedback to proposer to continue with implementation.
• Jan: Update documentation for Amazon video/image support, including comments on where to find images, verifying images work, noting limitations (e.g., iofs does not work), and marking as experimental.
• All: Help review the large PR for room network support (depends on draft PR), especially if time allows.
• Jan: Take over PR 4347 (SED script), create new PR, and close the original abandoned PR.
• Akihiro: Review the large PR for BM driver Mark Worthy support.
• All: Continue discussion of 2.1 release planning and triage in the Plan 2.1 release issue on Slack or in the issue tracker, as scheduled meeting may be skipped.

Summary

KubeCon Presentation and Project Updates:
The team discussed updates for the upcoming KubeCon presentation, with Akihiro confirming he would send a PowerPoint using the KubeCon template and update it for version 2.1. They reviewed several recent project releases, including Dima the Books and Hostopus, with Jan noting that Hostopus was still failing tests and containing some unclear code. Jan agreed to review the PR but decided to postpone looking at the Windows portion, while Akihiro clarified that the Hostopus enhancement was optional for the 2.1 release.

Metafield System Implementation Plan:
Jan and Akihiro discussed implementing a metafield system for instances, disks, and networks, similar to Docker's object handling. They agreed to start with a simple metafield object and YQ expressions for filtering, with the possibility of adding more complex features later. They decided to add this to the 2.1 milestone, though Jan noted it wasn't essential and could be removed if time ran out.

Image Format Conversion Discussion:
The team discussed image format handling, particularly whether to convert images to RAW format or maintain QEMU-specific formats. Jan explained that while QEMU doesn't need conversion, the original proposal to always convert to RAW was preferred for simplicity and compatibility. Akihiro and Jan debated the merits of different formats, with Jan noting that caching both versions would be necessary if they want to support both QEMU and VZ formats. The team agreed to implement the simpler RAW format approach for now, with the possibility of revisiting the more complex caching solution in a future release. Jan also mentioned an unresolved issue with host resolver functionality that would need to be postponed to version 2.2.

New Issue Creation and CI Updates:
Jan discussed the need to create a new issue for the remaining tasks related to the start option, as the current issue contains too much historical information. Jan does not plan to work on the new issue but will create it. Akihiro agreed and mentioned discussing the issue with Ricky after the new issue is opened. Jan and Akihiro also discussed the postponement of issue #1575 due to ongoing CI issues. Jan explained that local network access settings cannot be modified programmatically, as it would defeat the purpose of the permission. Olalekan asked about the difference between this and using a bridge network, to which Akihiro responded that it involves subnet configuration. Akihiro then presented a proposal for a user-switch feature similar to open floor, which will be implemented as an external plugin. Jan suggested encouraging experimentation with the plugin and providing feedback if necessary, rather than requiring approval for external contributions.

Amazon Video Image URL Updates:
The team discussed updating URLs for Amazon video images, with Jan explaining that based on previous confirmation from Amazon, the images should remain available indefinitely, so updates would only be needed before releases. They agreed to document in the template where users can look up the latest URL and handle their own updates. Akihiro and Jan also briefly discussed issues with UAFS and network support, noting that some features were still in development and could use additional review.

PR Reviews and Feature Planning:
The team discussed several PRs and code changes, with Jan agreeing to take over a large abandoned PR after determining it had no active maintainers. Akihiro presented details about a BM driver PR for supporting macOS, which involves complex implementation of user accounts and password generation for GUI desktop access. The team also discussed micro VMs, with Anders explaining that while there are earlier proposals and drivers for partner containers, this would be a separate feature requiring further development and documentation. The team agreed to continue discussions about the 2.1 release planning through text chat rather than scheduling another meeting, as they were running out of time.

[AkihiroSuda]

Corrections

The team also discussed a PR for network policy with ZR PC

• "ZR PC" → "gRPC"

Akihiro: Send PowerPoint presentation (in Google Docs) to Ansuman for KubeCon, using KubeCon thread templates and update thread for barge 2.1.

• "thread" → "Slides"
• "barge" → "version"

Jan: Review and finish PR for "pretty suggestion available for BMs in disks in networks" (labels/metafields for instances, disks, networks)

• What was "pretty suggestion available" ?
• "BMs in disks in networks" → "VMs, disks, and networks"

Ansuman: Start working on "cashes convert to rural" (image format conversion) today.

• "cash" → "cache"
• "rural" → "raw" (?)

All interested: Review proposal for network policy plugin (issue 43206) and provide feedback to proposer to continue with implementation.

• "43206" → "4326"

Akihiro: Review the large PR for BM driver Mark Worthy support.

• "Akihiro" → "All"
• "BM" → "VM"
• "Mark Worthy" → "macOS"

They reviewed several recent project releases, including Dima the Books and Hostopus, with Jan noting that Hostopus was still failing tests and containing some unclear code.

• "Dima the Books" → "lima-devbox" (?)
• What was "Hostopus" ?

Jan and Akihiro also discussed the postponement of issue #1575 due to ongoing CI issues

• vz: fail early when arch is invalid #1575 was not discussed

Akihiro then presented a proposal for a user-switch feature similar to open floor,

• "open floor" → "OpenFlow"

Amazon Video Image URL Updates:

• "Amazon Video" → "Amazon Linux"

Jan also briefly discussed issues with UAFS and network support

• "UAFS" → "virtiofs" (?)
• What were "network support" issues?

Akihiro presented details about a BM driver PR for supporting macOS

• "BM" → "VM"