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  * [alphalist Podcast | Technical Leadership and Technology for Technical Leaders](https://alphalist.com/podcast/?utm_source=github&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=outreach&utm_content=podcast) - Learn about technical leadership, technological trends and more from top CTOs and other technical leaders. A podcast for CTOs, VPs, and other leaders in Tech wanting to improve and grow their knowledge through interviews of top tech thought leaders.
  * [Developing Leadership - Episode 5 | Should Engineers be Masters of None? with Anton Drukh from Snyk](https://www.developingleadership.co/episode/episode-5-should-engineers-be-masters-of-none-with-anton-drukh-from-snyk) - Engineering leaders build organizations, and do more than just contribute lines of code.
  * [Managers Club, Interviews and Resources for Engineering Managers](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/managers-club-interviews-and-resources-for/id1465515449) - In-depth conversations about engineering management with lessons and tips to make you a better leader and improve your career.        
+ * [Be a Door Opener, Not a Gatekeeper: Inclusivity and Leadership](https://fellow.app/supermanagers/karen-catlin-be-a-door-opener-not-a-gatekeeper-inclusivity-and-leadership/) - A podcast episode with Karen Catlin talking about the difference between gatekeepers and door openers and underscores the importance of guiding rather than directing.
 
 ## Articles
  * [Radical Candor](http://firstround.com/review/radical-candor-the-surprising-secret-to-being-a-good-boss/) - This is an excellent article on how to provide direct feedback
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         "url": "https://www.engmanagement.dev/",
         "reason": "A great book by Sarah Drasner dedicated to engineering management packed with a lot of valuable advice",
         "cat": "book"
+    },
+    {
+        "title": "Be a Door Opener, Not a Gatekeeper: Inclusivity and Leadership",
+        "url": "https://fellow.app/supermanagers/karen-catlin-be-a-door-opener-not-a-gatekeeper-inclusivity-and-leadership/",
+        "reason": "A podcast episode with Karen Catlin talking about the difference between gatekeepers and door openers and underscores the importance of guiding rather than directing.",
+        "cat": "podcast"
     }
 ]