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Consequential (conclusive?) conjunctions #471

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msklvsk opened this issue Jul 17, 2017 · 7 comments
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Consequential (conclusive?) conjunctions #471

msklvsk opened this issue Jul 17, 2017 · 7 comments
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msklvsk commented Jul 17, 2017

There is a conjunction то (then) in Ukrainian, as in If something, then something.
While then can be ADV, то is a pure conjunction (has no temporal meaning), but it's neither coordinating, nor subordinating: it connects the main clause to a preceding subordinate clause. How should we treat it? Our temp v2.1 solution is PART with special PartType connected by discourse.
I believe, other languages have the same thing. Some analyze it as ADV, some as SCONJ, or even CCONJ + advmod as in Polish:

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In Czech the corresponding word is tak, it is tagged ADV and attached as advmod, see here:
http://hdl.handle.net/11346/PMLTQ-IYAZ

I would incline to tag the Polish to ADV, too (in this context). If it stays CCONJ, its relation should be cc, although there is no coordination.

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(Another possible consequential adverb in Czech is potom. Same analysis as tak.)

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Edit: It turns out that some trees returned by the query above contain tak tagged CCONJ. So we have a consistency issue that should be fixed.

@dan-zeman dan-zeman added dependencies UPOS Universal part-of-speech tags: definitions and examples Slavic labels Jul 17, 2017
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msklvsk commented Jul 17, 2017

But то is not an adverb. You cannot ask “when? — то.” There are adverbs that can be used in similar context, but то is just a linker.

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I see your point but I don't know what would be the best (or least evil) solution here. In Czech, tak is an adverb, but it is originally a demonstrative manner adverb. You would ask jak (how), not proč (why). So in this context it is more of a linker, too. It is a corelative element that refers to (or represents) the whole adverbial clause that specifies the condition. The fact that it is a pro-form representing an adverbial seems to me to support calling it pronominal adverb (regardless the fact that in other contexts in Czech it is a manner adverb). Could we perhaps use the same reasoning for Ukrainian and Polish то/to?

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jnivre commented Jul 18, 2017

I definitely think adverb is the best solution here. There are many discourse particles that cannot be used to answer when/why/where-type questions but are nevertheless classified as adverbs. It also seems like the best solution for cross-linguistic consistency.

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Leaving this open because of the unresolved inconsistency in the Czech data. Setting a new milestone.

@dan-zeman dan-zeman added this to the v2.2 milestone Apr 24, 2018
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