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clausal appos #1024
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I think that the current definition of Otherwise we would need at least one new relation where a clause is attached as an appositional modifier of a nominal. Saying that it is simply |
I have always understood noun-noun appositions as a kind of |
From the 2021 CL article: |
I am not saying it is not modification. But if we think that 1) Alternatively, we could say that |
I guess my personal view is that apposition is a semantic notion that happens to correlate with syntactic tests like reversibility. So from a theoretical perspective it is a bit odd to single it out from other kinds of modification. From a practical perspective, the noun-noun variety is frequent enough in many genres that it is handy to have a distinct Do we agree that "conditions (e.g., demonstrating actions...)" and the other exemplification ones should not be |
For me, reversibility is not a requirement. The Czech example you found is not exemplification but it is not reversible either. I am almost sure that exemplifications are solved as |
I think there are lots of cases of 'conversion', where a clause is effectively treated as a nominal. A case in point is verbal compound modifiers in languages like English, where we have handled the external dependency as From that perspective, I think examples like:
Seem legitimate to me, and these are arguably not 100% irreversible if we think of examples like:
That said, I think examples with parentheses are sometimes ambiguous between such an apposition and generic parenthetical parataxis, where a clearly non-appositive clause could stand just as well. I'm not completely happy making this distinction based on orthography, but I think things like:
should probably be parataxis, and indeed they are not reversible. I'm also not sure I want reversibility to be a totally necessary criterion for each exemplar, but if we are looking at a class of expressions and they are all non-reversible, it seems a bit suspicious to me. |
PS - I know we see these things a little differently, but apposition behaves differently around pronominalization and other types of anaphora, since it does not introduce an additional discourse referent. For me this has a semantic aspect of course, but also a morphosyntactic one in terms of binding, coordination, number agreement and other issues that have syntactic reflexes, so I wouldn't say it's a purely semantic notion. |
Considering noun-noun appositions, I take it we would use
The
All I am saying is that, to a first approximation, (1-3) are all nominal parenthetical modifiers of a nominal, and the distinction between (2) and (3) seems pretty minor as a matter of grammatical function. I should have restricted my statement above to English though—in a language with richer morphology there may be a stronger case to distinguish them (if the apposition construction involves special morphosyntax not following from general principles of referring expressions in the language). |
Following Blanche-Benveniste's grid analysis (Blanche-Benveniste et al. 1979), we decided, in the Rhapsodie treebank (Gerdes et Kahane 2009; Kahane et al. 2019) and then in SUD, to consider different types of paradigmatic constructions all annotated as subrelations of
The reasons of this choice, well documented in different papers, in that in all these cases, we have conjuncts, that is, constituents that are in a paradigmatic relation, that is, that can replace each other (they are also in a syntagmatic relations and are uttered after each other). The syntax of all these phenomena is similar, but semantics is different, and the markers are different:
Here are our annotations for spoken French. Let me recall that Grew-match allows you to see in the same window the SUD and the UD annotation. Paradigmatic relations are not restricted to nouns and you can see that A last remark: we also consider that UD Blanche-Benveniste, C., Borel, B., Deulofeu, J., Durand, J., Giacomi, A., & Loufrani, C. (1979). Des grilles pour le français parlé. Recherches sur le Français Parlé, Aix-en-Provence, (2), 163-206. Gerdes K., Kahane S. (2009) Speaking in piles: Paradigmatic annotation of French spoken corpus, Processing of the fifth Corpus Linguistics Conference, Liverpool, 15 p. S. Kahane, P. Pietrandrea, K. Gerdes (2019) The annotation of list structures, in Lacheret-Dujour A., Kahane S., Pietrandrea P. (eds) (2019), Rhapsodie – A Prosodic and Syntactic Treebank for Spoken French, John Benjamins, Amsterdam, 69-95. |
I don't think I agree with that, for argument structure reasons, though I suspect @nschneid might see these as purely semantic ground. Appositions do not add another participant to argument structures: If we meet "Kim Wang, the lawyer", we meet only one person (a semantic fact), but also syntactically, only one argument is saturated (object of meet), and in passivization, we see the expected equivalent "Kim Wang, the layer, was met by..." This is not true of "big sale". It's true that the grammatical function of this phrase is underspecified in the example due to the parenthetical structure, which is why we assign
etc. This is generally not true of "big supermarket"; to preempt the inevitable counter-example, and at the risk of being circular, I will say that if "big supermarket" appeared with an intervening phrase separating it from Giant, I would be inclined to see that as
I think it is reasonably distinct: coordination can create plurals out of multiple singulars, but apposition cannot, for example. Reparanda are something totally different. They can happen mid phrase and be repaired by a totally unlike phrase, whereas coordination typically takes like-conjuncts (admittedly not always), and generally forms a valid phrase that can saturate argument structure. The repaired part in reparanda is not generally part of the argument filling operation of the head of the repair. Again, some might want to see this as a purely semantic difference, but I think argument filling has a very form-based syntactic side - for example in a repaired subject, on the gender and number of the repair determine agreement with the verb. The reparandum is irrelevant, but this is not true in coordination. |
Looking at this again I realized that (3) may have multiple interpretations. Let me go with a more elaborate example: (3') Going to Giant (big sale) and not Safeway (too expensive). Is "to Giant (big sale) and not Safeway (too expensive)" a constituent functioning as a goal oblique? Arguably there's ellipsis going on, but I'm not sure if it's a kind of ellipsis that would be made explicit in UD. |
The definition of But actually, in many cases what comes out is that "appositions" are rather flat structures, so probably
For example, I do not think this is really relevant, since agreements of these kinds can vary even with simplex subjects, when semantics overrides morphology. In the Latin treebanks these appositional constructions are very widespread and have posed difficulties from the beginnings, also with regard to the conversion from other annotation formalisms. In the presentation of the Index Thomisticus (2018) this was discussed, and an admittedly wacky solution of using a subtype I second all the intuitions that converge on a co-ordinational treatment of similar expansions. I do not think that the semantic level of having or not the same referent should be reflected on the main relation type, as far as the structure is really the same of co-ordinations, but the subtype is there exactly for this reason (while the specification of a co-reference is a different annotation level of its own). This is also seen in the symmetry of the elements: even when there is a clausal element expanding a nominal one (and there are many in the IT-TB), it is always a nominal form (such as eng. -ing) or is introduced by a marker, also used for I also agree with the distinction from and preference for
This looks very much like a To sum it up, in my opinion:
Again, it seems here that a very narrow, idiosyncratic interpretation in the UD guidelines of a general term which usually has a much broader connotation is creating misunderstandings and confusions. |
I have always thought of "appos" as a semantically defined subtype of "nmod", motivated by the original IE-type applications of Stanford Dependencies (where it is useful to know that the two nominals have the same referent). If we were designing the relation system now, I would argue that "appos" is not needed or should at most be a subtype. |
I disagree, and I don't think I've heard a convincing argument why apposition is not a syntactic phenomenon given its behavior around argument structure and morphological agreement, neither of which is a purely semantic construct. For me, nmod means that we take one phrase to modify another, separate and distinct phrase, creating a nested phrase structure. As with phrases in general, we can use movement, pronominalization, coordination and interrogation to recognize that the modifier is such a phrase. But apposition does not work the same way:
Apposition:
I think the differences above are syntactic, and apposition is commonly treated as a syntactic phenomenon and described in most grammars under the syntax of noun phrases (incl. by CGEL for English BTW) |
Apposition is certainly worth discussing in a reference grammar as there are certain conventions for elaborating on one nominal with a second nominal whose referent is the same. I think the notion of apposition crucially depends on meaning (in that there has to be an elaboration of a shared referent in a particular instance, not just in prototypical instances). A particular apposition construction will have some morphosyntactic particularities, and maybe there are even some universal morphosyntactic properties that hold—but is this reason enough to consider it outside the realm of nmod etc.? Of course, "the city of Paris" is not what we are calling apposition, despite the sharing of a referent. That is obviously a PP modification construction (nmod). The question is whether the top-level grammatical function per UD principles is necessarily different, not whether they are different constructions at some level of granularity. CGEL: "Appositive modifiers: Appositive dependents are ones which when substituted for the matrix NP in a declarative clause systematically yield a clause which is an entailment of the original [...e.g.] the opera 'Carmen'". And: "The construction with a specifying NP as supplement is known as apposition. More particularly, this is the supplementary type of apposition [...e.g.] A university lecturer, Dr. Brown, was..." This is basically saying that there are two types of appositive constructions, one of which is a modification construction inside an NP, and one of which is a supplement (~parenthetical), which is a somewhat looser kind of relation than modifier. Note the definition in terms of entailment—so the "apposition" designation cross-cuts grammatical function (modifier vs. supplement). UD doesn't exactly recognize a notion of supplement/parenthetical—it has Turning to your tests: I would surmise that there are discourse factors that weigh against a pronominal appositive (interrogative or otherwise) or movement in most circumstances, because an apposition is about adding elaboration of some entity that has been invoked. Coordination is fine as long as the nominals can be construed as referring to the same group: "The authors, Amir and Nathan, claimed...". If your point is that appositives can appear in places that most nmods can't, and can't do all the things that other nmods can, then yes, I agree. That could be a reason for a subtype (cf. English |
I don't think that rationale discriminates between subtypes and major types. The only difference that I am aware of between advcl and ccomp is that they appear in different places and can't do the same things. The only other type of criterion for deprels is ontological, i.e. regarding the morphosyntactic kind (phrase/pos), which is why English All things being equal, I prefer not to rock the boat: |
Yeah, we're not going to eliminate |
I would be in favor of allowing |
So how would you describe the characteristic of that dependent that makes it
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As mentioned above, I completely agree that there are fuzzy corner cases we'd have to make decisions on, just like with the contact points between other deprels and the periphery of their usages. Concretely for the first case, my preference would be to use I see you edited it to have semi-colons, but even in that case, I think the relationship between the 'first' clause and the 'second' clause is parataxis, so there is no single phrase in the |
Oh wait, I see you edited it again, it's hard to keep up :) For the third example which currently reads "We are preparing for dinner - cleaning the house, cooking the food, and setting the table" I would say it's not
Because preparations is a nominal and the expansions are coordinated into a single phrase (no parataxis). I'm not saying there is no other way to see it, but I think that's a fairly usable guidelines, and again, I predict this will come up rather rarely. |
(Trying to see whether you think the head needs to be nominal) |
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I don't follow - here both the head and the expansion are nominal, just like in a standard apposition, no?
Here the head is a non-nominal, and what's more, agreement suggests that the verb actually agrees with either the expansion, or a coordination of all four heads (controlling the bow + prep + attack + release). Even if we wanted to accept appositions where the initial head is non-nominal (which I think would be a slippery slope), this would not be a case of that, because then I would expect singular "is". So I guess in sum, among other reasons to ensure consistency, I would require the head to be a nominal, but relax the requirement on the dependent in cases where we can interpret the modifier as a nominalized clause. I believe this is analogous to what we're doing with phrase-modifier compounds. |
Oh, yeah, I should have written "is" instead of "are". What about: |
Sorry, just noticed the Czech example above is finite. Make that:
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I guess that depends on what you consider to be subordinate - I would be OK with a regular looking sentence, which would only be subordinate in the sense that it's nested into an NP:
I also think this would sound much better in a non-finite version (Russia launching), but if this sentence appeared in data somewhere, I'd be OK with considering it an apposition despite being 'main-like' (but subordinate in being inside the subject NP, maybe almost like a quotation cast as an NP). |
A few from browsing adnominal
Should any of the noun-headed ones be excluded from a broader definition of |
I think 4. is supposed to be appos even using the old ":" as an equative (key-value style) guideline. Otherwise it would be nsubj headed by "drink" (=the moral is don't drink). So yeah, that and possibly 3 would be appos (it's possible there are cases that are genuinely ambiguous between parataxis and appos, and we don't know what the speaker intends). For 5 I think it's not appos, but if it were "very fresh food" it would be a candidate if that's how it's intended. But it would be ambiguous with an elliptical subjectless clause: (it was) the best food I had in Australia, (it was) very fresh food. Maybe the reason I'm a bit suspicious is the short-before-long tendency: if it were intended as an apposition, I would expect: "very fresh food, the best food I had in Australia". But for a slam dunk you would need the whole thing to serve in a role slot of something else, which we don't have here since it's a fragment. The following is IMO unambiguous:
Because there is only 1 nsubj slot, it's clear it's saturated by this one NP. But this issue is not actually related to the nominal vs. verbal thing we're discussing, it applies equally to two nominals where it's unclear if it's two fragments in parataxis (esp. if each is implicitly predicative with zero copula) or an apposition and just one holistic NP. |
What about (2), an aside that comments on a nominal? "a really good book (it was actually a ebook)"
Dunno about that key-value policy—I take that guideline to be about structured data rather than real sentences: "appos is also used to link key-value pairs in addresses, signature blocs, etc. (see also the It seems to me that "Moral of the story:" is a syntactically reduced way to convey a semantic predication, not modification as in canonical "Moral of the story: Don't drink it" feels an awful lot like "Status of the baby: sleeping/asleep". Which brings us to things like
We don't want to call that |
I give you some examples of things we annotated with NOUN -[appos]-> VERB
NUM -[appos]-> VERB
NOUN -[appos]-> ADJ
ADV -[appos]-> NOUN
VERB -[appos]-> VERB
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About the minimal pair proposed by @nschneid:
When you annotate spoken data, you don't have any punctuation. One very important criterion is to decide what can be an independent utterance (we call this an illocutionary unit). In (1), "to keep the lights on" is not an illocutionary unit and it can commute with "one goal"; it why we would have chosen |
More data from EWT, where the "expansion" interpretation of appos creates nonprojectivity:
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I would be inclined to view these more as parataxis. The second one is totally not reversible, and the first isn't IMO if we keep "the latter". It's really a complete sentence followed by an afterthought or elucidation. The only really convincing exception to adjacency that I've seen for appos is when you get totally a-syntactic things, like a Wackernagel particle assuming second position with total disregard to the surrounding phrase structure. Since those kinds of things could appear in the middle of an NP anyway, they don't form an argument against phrasehood, and the whole thing is still an apposition. |
Or maybe bette The attachment is an issue, because they do seem tied to the "original" argument, but maybe this is something for another annotation layer (co-reference?) and we can just be content with the dislocation attachment to the root to avoid systematic nonprojectivity? Another issue are some particles and expressions which regularly introduce these blocks, sometimes specialised. Are this indeed a hint to a tighter cohesion than |
The
appos
guidelines say:But in treebanks, there are many exceptions where one or both sides of the
appos
is a clause. Here are a few with a VERB:Should these be changed to something else (
acl
/advcl
for the "for example" clauses,parataxis
/discourse
elsewhere)? Or is the definition ofappos
too narrow?I am assuming that clausal quotations and titles can function as nominals, and thus be valid as
appos
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