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UPOS inconsistency: indefinite pronouns/pro-adverbs #132

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nschneid opened this issue Feb 27, 2021 · 9 comments
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UPOS inconsistency: indefinite pronouns/pro-adverbs #132

nschneid opened this issue Feb 27, 2021 · 9 comments

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Looks like the latter comes from xpos=NN, which seems to happen sporadically when it's an object ("I want somewhere...") or a PP ("from somewhere"). In PTB these are consistently RB, incl. "out of nowhere" etc., so I think morphosyntactically they should be RB+ADV here as well, even though they are 'wrapped' in an NP.

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nschneid commented Dec 9, 2021

In another corpus I encountered "nowhere but X", where "but X" should be a PP modifying "nowhere". But this is awkward if "nowhere" is an ADV attaching as advmod.

"Nowhere" also licenses "else", like the other indefinite pronouns.

So I'm not sure I see the motivation to call "nowhere" ADV if "nobody" is PRON. Is "nowhere" just a pronoun that often heads an adverbial NP?

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No, I think it's still an adverb, it's not so unusual for an adverb to take modifiers IMO. I mean, it's interchangeable with "here" and "there", so it seems pretty canonical to consider it an adverb.

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nschneid commented Dec 9, 2021

And its distribution is even more like "where", which also licenses "else". I suppose it would be surprising to call "where" a pronoun, so ADV with PronType=Ind would work I guess.

Here are some borderline nominal cases:

  • "somewhere else": advmod(somewhere/ADV, else/ADV)?
  • head of PP: "anywhere in the world" (I guess not a problem to call this obl)
  • head of postpositive adjective: "somewhere nice"
    • This creates a weird situation where a word attaching as advmod has an amod dependent. But there are a few of these already in GUM so I guess the validator allows it.
    • For "live somewhere rural", EWT has advcl instead of advmod (not sure why).
  • object of a preposition: "compare it to somewhere like Central Otago" (EWT), "set it to anywhere between 78-82" (EWT), "the middle of nowhere" (GUM)
  • relative clause head: "anywhere you like" (GUM)

I think you're arguing these should all be ADV. Are you OK with an ADV having an amod?

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Basically I think this is another flavor of the same issue we talked about today RE: nsubj: it's like a unary derivation where you wrap an ADV in something to allow it to work as an argument etc.. But the underlying POS category is still ADV, otherwise you'd get the same issue with core adverbs like "here" and "there" ("in there", "the good old here and now") - in context these things can get case, amod, and other functions because they function like NPs, but morphologically I'd say they are still adverbs, and I expect PTB tagging follows the same behavior for xpos.

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nschneid commented Dec 9, 2021

PPs yes, but there are other PPs with non-nominal complements (e.g. "for free"). "The here and now" is an idiom (*the now and here). "Here" and "there" don't really lend themselves to adjective dependents in the way that "somewhere" does.

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While implementing UniversalDependencies/docs#517, rediscovering this issue of indefinite pro-forms occurring sometimes in noun-like contexts, for which EWT is not consistent about tagging:

  • compare it to somewhere like Central Otago
  • she has nowhere to go

It seems that PTB (and GUM) policy is to tag these as adverbs. My question is then what the external deprel should be—if there is a free relative, does that make it more nominal-like, triggering obl:unmarked (formerly :npmod), or should it be advmod?

  • I recommend buying a single unlimited Europass and travelling anywhere in the EU your heart desires.

I suppose defaulting to advmod for all unmarked non-core uses would be a simple enough policy, but it seems kind of arbitrary to distinguish "anywhere/ADV/advmod your heart desires" and "anyplace/ADV/advmod your heart desires" from "any place/NOUN/obl:unmarked your heart desires". I guess this is another flavor of the UD-lacking-a-proper-adverbial-relation problem....

nschneid added a commit that referenced this issue Jun 22, 2024
…d always be adverbs (#132); also apply PronType=Ind to the retagged ones (UniversalDependencies/docs#517)
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nschneid commented Jul 6, 2024

Also there's a GUM token that is NOUN https://universal.grew.fr/?custom=6688bce47f934

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Fixed GUM token. Generally I think distinguishing "any place" from "anywhere" on the POS level is fine, since the fused orthography corresponds to the lexicalization which justifies the re-analyzed/non-compositional morphosyntactic analysis.

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