Concurrency levels

[Licenser]

Okay I hope I don't start to get annoying ;)

The concurrency levels used for the benchmark seem ridiculous low, if someone has between 8 and 265 concurrent requests on a web application that does virtually no work the framework should not be a concern.

Modern frameworks talk about concurrency levels in the range of tens of thousands if not millions of concurrent requests I'd think something of 10k upwards would be a more interesting and valuable information.

PS: I'll get some test hardware the next days and will try to run this tests under 10k+ conditions and provide some results if interested.

[bhauer]

Not at all annoying! It's fun to talk about this stuff.

This particular question is a subject for a longer blog entry that I'd like to write. I am of the opinion that those who talk about concurrency in the tens or hundreds of thousands are more interested in a WebSocket-enabled future than the HTTP request-response present. Not that there is anything wrong with that! I love WebSockets.

But in the present, where WebSockets are not yet widely used, a web server's goal is to receive requests and respond as quickly as possible.

Simulations that process tens or hundreds of thousands of concurrent requests are often written to do something like a "sleep" operation on the server, basically putting the request into some idle state where the socket is connected but nothing (or very little) is happening. The reason for this is that such simulations are intended to demonstrate that the server can peel requests off of an inbound queue and then put them into some handler loop. If the requests are processed too quickly and taken out of that handler loop, they will be closed, reducing the concurrency number, which is working against the goal of such tests.

In the traditional web request-response model, the server's primary goal should be to successfully and fully respond to requests as fast as possible. There is no value in the server holding onto a request in an idle state.

That is why all of the tests we've written immediately work to provide a response as soon as the request is received and routed to the proper handler code. Fetch the object(s), serialize, and send. Get that request closed out so our CPU is free for the next request.

And it's because real work is being done (rather than putting a request into an idle state to increase a server-side concurrency number) that as our client-side concurrency levels rise (e.g., at 64, 128, and 256) most frameworks reach a plateau. That plateau is where the CPU and I/O capacity of the server is fully utilized and can no longer fulfill requests as fast as they arrive.

Increasing client-side concurrency once the server's CPU and I/O are fully utilized simply means that you are building a queue in front of the server component that peels requests off and begins the routing process. Increase it high enough and eventually you'll start seeing 500-series responses from some platforms/frameworks ("server too busy") to keep that queue from unbounded growth.

All that said, we put this test on github precisely to encourage people to experiment. :) So I'd be happy to hear if you find something interesting when you run with 10,000 or more client-side concurrency.

[Licenser]

I agree it's a very interesting topic. When I think about servers handling 10k+ request I mostly think of API servers which isn't a very uncommon abstraction, I'm working on a project that exposes it's entire functionality via a REST API and and having more then 256 requests arrive concurrently is something that can happen very fast in my use case. (PS: I use web sockets for long living connections like live notifications too ;)

Non the less I see that this might not apply for everyone but in the end I think it sums up to that a framework that can handle more requests concurrently means a framework that can serve more users at once without me needing to buy new hardware (or rent new cloud instances).

I totally agree on the point that bencharmks that try to increase concurrency by delaying requests make no sense. I am more thinking about having the load generating tool try to send of concurrent requests at the same time, if some fall over with a 5* that also is a very valuable information in the sense of, lets say 'gemini can handle up to 10k concurrent requests without dropping a requests but while go reaches it's limit at 5k' (numbers are entirely made up here). I think it's kind of a question how well a framework scales over time.

Also with some first quick tests it seems that with higher concurrency levels frameworks reach new peaks (disclaimer numbers are from a VM on my laptop as of now running both client and server on the same host) which would not show at all in the original benchmark.

From the preliminarry local tests I did I'd say the plateaus in the original benchmark are not really the best the frameworks can do (at least speaking of the upper half) but just that it doesn't make much difference for them if there are 128 or 256 requests.

Here an example of nodejs, netty, elli and cowboy for concurrency of 1024 - 8192:

{
    "concurrencyLevels": [
        1024, 
        2048, 
        4096, 
        8192
    ], 
    "frameworks": [
        "gemini", 
        "cake", 
        "compojure", 
        "django", 
        "express", 
        "express-mongodb", 
        "express-mysql", 
        "grails", 
        "nodejs", 
        "nodejs-mongodb", 
        "nodejs-mysql", 
        "php", 
        "php-raw", 
        "play", 
        "rack-ruby", 
        "rack-jruby", 
        "rails-ruby", 
        "rails-jruby", 
        "servlet", 
        "servlet-raw", 
        "sinatra-ruby", 
        "sinatra-jruby", 
        "spring", 
        "tapestry", 
        "vertx", 
        "webgo", 
        "wicket", 
        "go", 
        "nodejs-mysql-raw", 
        "wsgi", 
        "netty", 
        "flask", 
        "play-scala", 
        "django-optimized", 
        "rails-optimized-ruby", 
        "rails-optimized-jruby", 
        "http-kit", 
        "cowboy", 
        "elli"
    ], 
    "queryIntervals": [
        1, 
        5, 
        10, 
        15, 
        20
    ], 
    "rawData": {
        "db": {}, 
        "json": {
            "30": [
                "22992", 
                "97647", 
                "145398", 
                "148603"
            ], 
            "37": [
                "30657", 
                "65578", 
                "128368", 
                "153825"
            ], 
            "38": [
                "39437", 
                "126977", 
                "197625", 
                "226097"
            ], 
            "8": [
                "19529", 
                "46478", 
                "93422", 
                "166966"
            ]
        }, 
        "query": {}
    }, 
    "weighttpData": {
        "db": {}, 
        "json": {
            "30": {
                "2xx": "2910", 
                "3xx": "0", 
                "4xx": "0", 
                "5xx": "0", 
                "errored": "0", 
                "failed": "97090", 
                "success": "2910", 
                "totalTime": 6.732
            }, 
            "37": {
                "2xx": "3103", 
                "3xx": "0", 
                "4xx": "0", 
                "5xx": "0", 
                "errored": "0", 
                "failed": "96897", 
                "success": "3103", 
                "totalTime": 6.214
            }, 
            "38": {
                "2xx": "0", 
                "3xx": "0", 
                "4xx": "0", 
                "5xx": "0", 
                "errored": "0", 
                "failed": "100000", 
                "success": "0", 
                "totalTime": 4.2700000000000005
            }, 
            "8": {
                "2xx": "1920", 
                "3xx": "0", 
                "4xx": "0", 
                "5xx": "0", 
                "errored": "0", 
                "failed": "98080", 
                "success": "1920", 
                "totalTime": 8.939000000000002
            }
        }, 
        "query": {}
    }
}

[Licenser]

Added to that I just noticed that a lot of those requests are failed I guess that is what you were talking about? / Still getting used to reading the results ;)

[bhauer]

Yes. In order to test that level of client-side concurrency, you will probably need to change the deployment settings for the frameworks and platforms being exercised.

For example, in the "easy" (at least easy to explain) case of a server running Apache HTTPD, the most important settings in question would be ListenBackLog and MaxClients.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#listenbacklog

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#maxclients

Of course, Apache may not be the best suited to that kind of exercise; I'm just mentioning it because most readers will be familiar with the two configuration options above.

[Skamander]

@Licenser

When you test on your Hardware could you please bumb the max-connections in the resin conf to 256 (it defaults to 128). The Java based Frameworks drop on dedicated Hardware after 128 concurrent requests. Seems related.

[bhauer]

Hi again @Licenser.

I wrote a blog entry today that, while only tangentially related to our conversation earlier today, was nevertheless inspired by that conversation.

Requests-per-second versus concurrent connections: http://tiamat.tsotech.com/rps-vs-connections

[Licenser]

Hi mate,
just read your article and it is indeed very interesting :) gave me a few insights and a better understanding why you benchmark what you benchmark. It makes sense :).

[bhauer]

Incidentally, all of this talk about WebSockets makes me ever more interested in their widespread use. I've only built small applications using WebSockets, but the model feels completely natural: that the server and client can communicate at will whenever they want to.

I think we'll close this issue, but I welcome any further thoughts or findings! Thanks again!

[robertmeta]

In any sort of exchange (middle man) situation (where you talk to a client on side A, and a service or API outside of your control on side B) you can easily end up with thousands of concurrent requests. Dependencies on outside APIs be an ever increasing problem.

Small businesses often find themselves in this place if they are the middle man between thousands of users across their small handful of machines and on the other side, a massive network of company X -- who responds slowly but consistently across a great number of machines.

It is also a design decision for how to work with any AJAX style interaction, many req/rep with separate synchronization, or a single process/actor/etc that handles all interaction within that page.

[bhauer]

I like that. Thank you for the notes!

We have a new test suggestion on the to-do list for future rounds that would exercise that scenario by simulating the use (and waiting for) an external service. With that test, we'll have a good reason to leave the connection idle while we wait for the simulated external service to provide its result. That will be a good use-case for increasing the client-side concurrency level.

[robertmeta]

I think that test will do a good job of testing concurrency, because it hits the true ugly recursive nature of it perfectly. When the external service adds an additional 100 ms delay, this increases concurrency on the local app, which slows performance, which increases concurrency, which slows performances, which increase concurrency... splat.

Finding tools and frameworks that can handle this case elegantly is going to be one of the major challenges of developers over the next few years as they go from depending on one external service (their own DB mostly) to multiple. Having a tech stack they know can handle this also allows them to outsource things they don't care about in a sane way.

[purplefox]

Being able to support large numbers of connections is not all about websockets.

HTTP keep alive is the default in 1.1, and a good web server should hold on to a connection for around 10s or so before closing it.

This means, that if you expect to be able to handle 1000 req/s on a server from different clients, which seems entirely reasonable, you will need to support at least 10000 concurrent connections

[bhauer]

Indeed, and we are using HTTP keep alive where supported.

The scenario you describe, while certainly realistic, implicitly introduces a pause between an initial socket connection and each subsequent request on that connection. Otherwise, it's not realistic. And if it doesn't introduce a pause, the net behavior will be much the same as the current 256-concurrency test: fully-utilized CPU for the CPU-limited tests or fully-utilized Ethernet for the network-limited tests.

We have not made implementing such a test a priority yet.

[purplefox]

I'm not sure I understand your point, but 256 connections seems a woefully low number to me, and I don't think it's representative of what an actual popular website will have to deal with.