[Feature Request]: Localisation

[Nginearing]

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[Nginearing]

Tyrannicodin has created a draft pull request for the translator here.

[Amirhan-Taipovjan-Greatest-I]

I prefer using Crowdin (there's should be free plan for open source; if that's possible) because it is simple for Me and... uh... a long time ago I went to the Translation World via this Site and Minecraft Project...

However, I'll ready if there's will be other Chosen Platform.

[Nginearing]

I prefer using Crowdin (there's should be free plan for open source; if that's possible) because it is simple for Me and... uh... a long time ago I went to the Translation World via this Site and Minecraft Project...

However, I'll ready if there's will be other Chosen Platform.

We've discussed this already in Discord and we all agree that we shouldn't use it as, A: There are no managers in the free plan, which is the biggest downside but also B: In the free plan, translations are donated to Crowdin (effectively data sharing)

As far as we've discussed, it currently looks like we're going to be using Weblate.

[smileyhead]

I personally have no experience using Localazy, but I can definitely say Weblate is very much inferior to Crowdin (janky and confusing UI, only one translation per string may be saved, etc.), but I understand why you would prefer not using it.

Regardless, like I've said in the issue thread, I would love to help localise TagStudio to Hungarian. I have around 8 years of experience translating video games and other software, and I have passed a C1 English Euroexam before.

[Nginearing]

I personally have no experience using Localazy, but I can definitely say Weblate is very much inferior to Crowdin (janky and confusing UI, only one translation per string may be saved, etc.), but I understand why you would prefer not using it.

Regardless, like I've said in the issue thread, I would love to help localise TagStudio to Hungarian. I have around 8 years of experience translating video games and other software, and I have passed a C1 English Euroexam before.

A few of us (including Cyan Voxel) have discussed services to use to do the localisation and the downsides to Crowdin are more like deal-breakers because without certain features the workflow and quality will be terrible.
For example the fact you can't have any managers, but also just the plain fact, that it doesn't seem like Crowdin cares about OSS.

[smileyhead]

I understand.

[seakrueger]

A few of us (including Cyan Voxel) have discussed services to use to do the localisation and the downsides to Crowdin are more like deal-breakers because without certain features the workflow and quality will be terrible. For example the fact you can't have any managers, but also just the plain fact, that it doesn't seem like Crowdin cares about OSS.

This is not true. Crowdin provides its fully liscensed version to open source projects for free. This would include the ability to add managers, and infinite translation strings. The drawbacks are/were you have to use the beta channel (not the end of the word, assuming it's nothing breaking), your translations are licensed to Crowdin for AI training purposes (they're going to be on the open web in a plaintext file, they're going to be trained on anyways), and they could suspend the project at anytime (This is the same for Weblate[0] and Obsidian[1], TagStudio still controls the files/translations, just have to move to a different translation platform).

These were concerns raised by two actual translators, who has used both platforms. Their concerns should be considered.

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[1] In its sole discretion, in addition to any other rights or remedies available to the Company and without any liability whatsoever, at any time and without notice may terminate or restrict your access to any component of obsidian.md.

[Nginearing]

This is not true. Crowdin provides its fully licensed version to open source projects for free. This would include the ability to add managers, and infinite translation strings. The drawbacks are/were you have to use the beta channel (not the end of the word, assuming it's nothing breaking), your translations are licensed to Crowdin for AI training purposes (they're going to be on the open web in a plaintext file, they're going to be trained on anyways), and they could suspend the project at anytime (work the same as Obsidian, TagStudio still controls the files/translations, just have to move to a different translation platform).

These were concerns raised by an actual translator, who has used both platforms. Their concerns should be considered.

Sorry, If you can understand, there were like 3 of us in Discord and we were just quickly skimming the pages of websites, the fact that you will get all the paid features if you are managing an open source project, is only mentioned in one FAQ question right at the bottom of the page, I'll notify CyanVoxel about this. Sorry again, I appreciate the work of translators a lot, there is no reason to start smoke either.

[Bamowen]

So if I understand well, Crowdin is the best on a pure feature point of view. If we can indeed have the full feature version because we are an OSS we should go there.
If indeed we're limited to free plan, then the other options are more appealing.

Am I correct in stating this @Nginearing @seakrueger?

[Nginearing]

So if I understand well, Crowdin is the best on a pure feature point of view. If we can indeed have the full feature version because we are an OSS we should go there. If indeed we're limited to free plan, then the other options are more appealing.

Am I correct in stating this @Nginearing @seakrueger?

Both Crowdin and Weblate will provide a full-feature version, yes.

Moreover, I just read the criteria for a free unlimited plan (for OSS purposes) from Crowdin and one of them is "You do not have any commercial products related to the open-source project you are requesting a license for." which would likely include the CyanVoxel YouTube channel. CyanVoxel doesn't really want to signup unless the plan that we need, is guaranteed, but maybe someone can persuade CyanVoxel to just give it a chance and submit the open source request form, CyanVoxel really just wants to signup for something once and for it to last forever. if not, then I guess we'd have to use Weblate. Would be brilliant, if there was a mix between Weblate and Crowdin: something that has all the great features and unlimited usage of Crowdin, however a service that doesn't have full discretion over whether you get the full-feature version or not.

[Bamowen]

I'm fine with anything honestly and I side with Cyan on the " [...] just wants to signup for something once and for it to last forever." part.