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Themed releases #2765
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@sirinoks given that you're sheriff next week with @aserputov, it might make sense to have this discussion be the focus of the Tuesday planning meeting. You could lead a team discussion to try and figure out what our major themes/project areas actually are. At this stage, I think the team has a better sense of what they are doing for the coming weeks, so we could do more planning. I think it dovetails nicely with your docs/projects/themes ideas. |
"elders" But really, with a mindset like this, future Telescopers will inherit something awesome because you had them in mind the entire time and you don't even know who they will be. Telescope gets bigger and bigger after each iteration, this adds so much more complexity. Future Telescopers will be so glad that someone is trying to make everything easier to understand and get started with.
It's tough to schedule things during exam time and study week because as you said, you can expect people to be busy. I think coding or participating in meetings should be optional during study week. Ofc if there's enough people interested in doing something in this timeframe then plan something with them...
Wow, some of you guys take no time to slack off, eh? XD @humphd took his first vacation in like 15 years during Telescope 0.5-1.0 and the team got like nothing done. Boy was he mad...
Agreed. Any new features implemented in the first half will need maintenance done in the second half so that it will be stable in 3.0
There will always be bugs so we actually just pass on the bugs to the future Telescopers. The best thing to do is identify bugs in issues so at least people know about them. Also, I wouldn't wait until 3.0 to fix bugs. That should be done way earlier. 3.0 should be stable enough that you can walk off and @humphd won't be left with bugs up to his neck and crying by himself. 3.0-alpha should be treated as a major release so if anything goes wrong, you have a one-week window to fix it.
Firefighting: You may find that the many features that you're adding this semester need a lot more work than what you had initially planned. You won't really know until you get there but what you can do is plan a time when this could be addressed. You don't want to plan and layout a roadmap for a release then later squeeze bug fixes into it. Always leave room for unplanned work such as bug fixes, unexpected problems after a pull request was merged into master, etc. It doesn't have to be in 2.9 because sometimes, it will make sense to do it earlier when you find that you're being overwhelmed with bugs. |
I agree with the idea that features need a long time to stabilize on Landing features should be incremental and done over a lot of releases. However, we can think about having larger chunks of the team focused on particular releases. For example, we might need a bunch of Supabase work done to support the React Native front-end, so we might all chip in with this work on 2.x. The down side of this, in my experience, is that it's really hard to engage everyone on a subset of our features. Imagine if I said, "we're all focusing on React this release!" Based on your blog post this week @sirinoks, it's clear you wouldn't be happy. So I think the themed release concept is good, but it needs to be thought through so we don't exclude people who need to focus in different parts of the tree. A big software project is actually easier to work on than a small one, since there are so many separate areas that need attention, and you don't have to work on everything (unless you're me). |
#2801 Should be done during study week, since that will be the time when all the work on issues is paused. |
I think this can get closed, @sirinoks? |
I will turn this into a wiki page |
Wiki page done, this is getting closed now. |
So far our releases are just combinations of isses and PRs that people wanted to work on without much structure to it. However, even though our releases seemt to last the same amount of time, they are not if fact equal! Let me provide examples and you'll get what I mean.
Let's look at the Sheriffs + Releases table
What do we see?
Here are some of my ideas of what we can do about this information.
Have a theme during the exam times that doesn't require as much coding within deadlines. Schedule larger issues for some other releases.
Study week to me sounds like reasearch time. It is an open ended task that can include a lot or a little effort, based on how deep you want to go. A reasearch task can't really have you stuck on a single bug, getting you stressed about not making it within your deadline. My next point will also support why it is a good idea to do reasearch around study week.
Having two major time sections in the course, logically it would make sense that there is no point to start new concepts towards the end. Because that leaves very little time to actually act on the research and implement the new ideas. If an idea gets researched and left halfway, it will likely get abandoned, since people working on them will no longer be in the course. Therefore, we shouldn't start new large ideas towards the end of the semester. The best time for new ideas would be the first half (before study week). Study week would be the optimal time to have most research done because of its nature, while let's say, Release 2.8 would be the last cutting off point for research and new ideas.
I would imagine, a final release should have no bugs. A release should be stable. That makes me guess the last week would be about finishing PRs, fixing bugs, testing and polishing. Therefore, an alpha should have all the major ideas added and working, so that there is still time to make it look pretty.
Therefore, themes
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Now, this just my rough proposition. I definitely think we can have more concrete themes for single weeks, such as
Testing
, orNew frameworks
, perhapsPicking up abandoned issues
. Themes should bring excitement for developers and perhaps involve people into things they never before thought of. It would be on Sheriffs to follow themes, or make their own. Some would prefer to have a stable regular week, while others want to focus on a single task.So yeah, let me know what you think!
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