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Chronic implants #6

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Julie-Fabre opened this issue Oct 29, 2024 · 5 comments
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Chronic implants #6

Julie-Fabre opened this issue Oct 29, 2024 · 5 comments

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@Julie-Fabre
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Julie-Fabre commented Oct 29, 2024

@emilyasterjones @cbimbo @pipcoen @cagjony @RikvDaal @mwawra @ajuavinett @thomaszhihaoluo @agbondy @mdmelin @jcouto @anemri

Hi all,

There is quite a bit of choice in terms of chronic implants for Neuropixels thanks to you all! I have gotten a few questions on the best implant for [x] use - a lot of users can find it a little tricky to navigate and understand the features of each implant and I am no expert myself. A useful thing for the community could be a table highlighting all the differences between the implants. @cbimbo has created this template of most implant's features / notable characteristics. Could you have a look and let us know if you want to add or change anything?

Feature\Lab Churchland Brody Haesler Ferraris Carandini/Harris Isogai Aery-Jones Couto Buzsáki
Organisms Mouse Rat Mouse/rat Rat Mouse/rat Mouse/rat Mouse Mouse Mouse/rat
Brain areas tested Visual cortex, subiculum, midbrain > 10 brain regions Olfactory cortex HPC, thalamus, amygdala > 10 brain regions HPC, MEC, V1, Amygdala HPC, MEC > 6 brain regions HPC, ?
NPX version 1.0/2.0 1.0 1.0/2.0 1.0 1.0/2.0 1.0/2.0 1.0/2.0 2.0 1.0
# of probes 1 up to 4 up to 2 (in rats) 1 Up to 2 (in mice) 1 Up to 2 Up to 6 ?
Implant weight 1.0 neuropixels: 1.2g2.0 neuropixels: 1.5g 2.6g each 2.1g ? 1.4g dual 2.0 2.6g ? 0.57g 0.87g
Weight w/ probes + estimated cement 2.0g ? 3.5g - 6.8g w/ HS 13g w/ HS 2.5g 3.5g 2.0 w/ HS previous: <4g dual 2.0, new: <3g dual 2.0 ? ?
Features Lightweight, low-cost, optional cone implanted around implant Custom positions, angles and depths for each probe Lightweight, ease of use + assembly Robust, high-retrieval success rate Lightweight, low-cost, felxible, high retrieval success rate Tested for social interactions Custom positions, angles and depths for each probe Custom positions, angles and depths for each probe Drivable
Publicly available? Yes - paper Yes - paper Yes - paper Yes - paper Yes - paper Yes - paper Yes - protocols.io Yes - preprint Yes - paper

PS: Please add the relevant people to this discussion! I used the respective github repos to get github handles of the people who have committed in the repos but I might have missed some people :)
I'll edit this post as you all comment below.
Edits: Added Emily's updated information, added Max's updated info

@agbondy
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agbondy commented Oct 29, 2024

Hi @Julie-Fabre. Yes, all that info is correct for our holder. Thanks for putting this together!

@emilyasterjones
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Thanks for organizing this; it's very useful! Two small corrections for my design:

  1. My last name is Aery Jones
  2. Implant weight is <3g (<4g was an older design, but I haven't updated the protocols.io to reflect this yet)

@mdmelin
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mdmelin commented Oct 29, 2024

Thanks for putting this together! We also have a NP1.0 version (weighs 1.2g) and have implanted rats with a protective cone around the holder(s).

@cagjony
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cagjony commented Oct 30, 2024

Hi, Julie, thanks for reaching out,

As you know from our previous discussion, we have 2 different designs published in 2 different papers (van daal-nat prot and steinmetz-science). To overcome the confusion going around for several years, we can have 2 columns instead of one.

Our Nat. Prot. fixture was made only for np1 probes, and there are 3 types of fixtures

  • 1 probe (freely moving mouse and rat with headstage included)
  • 2 probes (rat only),
  • drivable (rat only)

Our Science fixture was made for the np2 consortium (specially made for freely moving mice) and has the same design principles as the np1 fixture (smaller and lightweight). There is only one publicly available version, and it can carry 2 np2 probes (we also use it with 1 probe). The data from Figure 1E of the np2 paper comes from this fixture and from freely moving mice that carry 2 np2 probes with headstage included. (so rat only in that column is not correct - up to 2 with mice up to 4 with rats instead.)

All our design have tested more than 10 brain areas, they have high retrieval success rate and also have tested in social interactions (Eco-HAB).

About low-cost feature, we should either remove or add to all fixture designs in the table because all of them can be 3D printed and make them low-cost by definition.

I also think that users/builders/designers should state weaknesses/disadvantages of their system for example our np2 dual probe design is not flexible introducing steep angles and dual probe version has to be only implanted with having the same angle for both probes.

Best,
Cagatay

@thomaszhihaoluo
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Wow, this table is really helpful. Thank you, Julie!

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